European Super League

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The Brown Bull

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Big business & TV have been ruining football for decades now. This is just the latest outrage..
The first 4 world Cups I watched had just 16 teams competing. They were perfect. It was a perfect competition. Now what have we? 32 teams? Daft.
Same goes for The European Nations Cup. It used to be a knock out, home & away competition. That was fine. Then they changed it to 8 teams in two groups of 4.better again. Now it's some ridiculous number with the likes if Andorra, Lichtinstéin & Gibraltar competing.
I long for the days when everyone kicked off at 3 on Saturdays, the FA Cup was revered, internationals were taken seriously and live games on TV were like hens teeth.
 

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So all of world football is on the shoulders of these 12 clubs?

I wonder how those even remotely trying to find excuses of this shite are feeling now. It's all about the rich getting richer, being able to mindlessly spend hundreds of millions of pounds.
 

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This would absolutely have happened regardless. Most of these clubs are run by businessmen looking at this as an investment with a need for a growing return. The only way to accomplish that, in their eyes, is to eventually do something like this, even if they succeed at some point it won't be enough and something else will come up because these are the corporate culture where enough is never enough.
Yeah, the only way this would not have happened or been in the pipes is through a fit and proper ownership structure, and ensuring it's majority fan owned. But hopefully that's where this will lead - long shot, but it's more in the public consciousness now than it was 2 days ago.
 

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Imagine blaming oil fecks for this, holy shit what the feck is with this desparate focus shift. Agents getting millions and being more powerful than ever, that trend didnt start since PSG/City/Chelsea, that monster was created long ass time ago by the clubs and now they cant control it. They were throwing money left right center and now they wanna save football, guess they loved days of Galacticos fecking bunch cnuts.
 

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"Some of us have been spunking money with no consideration of the consequences for years. We've resigned academy products at world record fees, given hundreds of millions to agents, let salaries spiral out of control, made shocking managerial appointments and lost CL matches to teams who had loaned our very own failed Galacticos. Our ludicrous wastefulness and staggering lack of foresight has been hammered home by this pandemic and now we want to tear up the fabric of domestic football to make up for our own mistakes. We're the good guys."
 

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Hasn't the Champions League viewership only been increasing over the years?


Why not focus on the smaller clubs that are really getting hurt, then?

Honestly, I'm struggling to see how Spanish football fans can lap this up, including the socios from both of the Madrid teams as well as Barcelona.
The champions league has lost meaning??? What the feck was all the wanking over Decima about then?
 

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So you are in the business of making up everything from facts to what I said while not answering questions? Did oil money made Barcelona spend 120m on Griezmann and pay him 600k per week? Did PSG and City magically appear during summer 2019?

Barcelona are responsible for their terrible decisions, no one forced them to do it, no one told them to spend 120m on Griezmann, 135m on Coutinho or Dembélé. They are the only ones in football doing it almost every summer, so unless you are ready to claim that PSG and City exclusively affected Barcelona, you are full of it.
I agree with this. Also to touch on Messi. With or with out PSG and City, he would demand astronomical wages. A) It's always been that way B) Ronaldo would have played a role in that. Every time one gets a bump the other one does too.
 

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I'm expecting Howard Webb and Mark Clattenburg to become referees in the Super League (along with that one English referee who was disgraced a while back).
 

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Is Klopp thick? Why is he attacking Gary Neville? Did he really say Neville followed the money by playing for more than a decade for Man United? Huh?

How disappointing. I thought he'd be one of the few managers who'd stand up to this. Instead he's out there attacking someone who probably hates this Super League thing as much as he does.
Klopp is a full of it clown. I was pretty weirded by the number of posters here thinking he'd be their savior.
 

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So you are in the business of making up everything from facts to what I said while not answering questions? Did oil money made Barcelona spend 120m on Griezmann and pay him 600k per week? Did PSG and City magically appear during summer 2019?

Barcelona are responsible for their terrible decisions, no one forced them to do it, no one told them to spend 120m on Griezmann, 135m on Coutinho or Dembélé. They are the only ones in football doing it almost every summer, so unless you are ready to claim that PSG and City exclusively affected Barcelona, you are full of it.
Yeah, its not like they are in financial trouble for the first time. They started inflating the market and were bailed out 20 years ago. The difference now is that the state cant support them anymore.
 

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PL without the big six.
The three teams to be relegated stay up and six others promoted.
It does make for a "fairer" league that anyone could win.
Could actually be more interesting.
 

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Champions league lost meaning but will take CL throphy with them, also maybe because him and other mfs pushed this whole CL change, now we have top 4, top3 getting 100% CL group stages, so they milked that as much as they could, time to switch on something else.

If CL lost its meaning they are the reason why that happened.
 

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The pressure of competing and the embarrassment of them losing Neymar for the utterly ludicrous fee made them do it. Shite decisions made by idiots but not made in a vacuum. I know you suck at the teet of PSG and City so I’m not going to engage anymore but all the numpties who banged on about them being good for football and how great it was that FFP failed are now seeing where it has led.
I don't give a damn about City and PSG and I also won't make moronic points about Barcelona just to eventually admit that I'm talking through my backside. Barcelona almost bankrupted themselves out of stupidity, you admitted it yourself.
 

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I was just looking at the club coefficients for Europe:

20212020ClubCountry2016–172017–182018–192019–202020–21Total
1​
1​
Bayern MunichGermany
22​
29​
20​
36​
27​
134​
2​
2​
Real MadridSpain
33​
32​
19​
17​
25​
126​
3​
3​
BarcelonaSpain
23​
25​
30​
24​
20​
122​
4=
6​
Manchester CityEngland
18​
22​
25​
25​
30​
120​
4=
5​
JuventusItaly
33​
23​
21​
22​
21​
120​
6​
4​
Atlético MadridSpain
29​
28​
20​
22​
16​
115​
7​
7​
Paris Saint-GermainFrance
20​
19​
19​
31​
24​
113​
8​
9​
Manchester UnitedEngland
26​
20​
19​
22​
22​
109​
9​
10​
LiverpoolEngland
0​
30​
29​
18​
24​
101​
10=
11​
ArsenalEngland
19​
21​
26​
10​
22​
98​
10=
8​
SevillaSpain
19​
21​
13​
26​
19​
98​
12​
15​
ChelseaEngland
0​
18​
30​
17​
27​
92​
13​
12​
Borussia DortmundGermany
22​
10​
18​
18​
22​
90​
14=
17​
RomaItaly
13​
25​
17​
11​
22​
88​
14=
12​
Tottenham HotspurEngland
10​
21​
26​
16​
15​
88​
16​
19​
PortoPortugal
17​
17​
23​
7​
23​
87​
17​
21​
AjaxNetherlands
22​
1.5​
27​
13​
19​
82.5​
18​
12​
Shakhtar DonetskUkraine
14​
19​
10​
22​
14​
79​
19​
15​
LyonFrance
22​
14​
17​
23​
0​
76​
20​
18​
NapoliItaly
17​
10​
18​
19​
10​
74​
21​
31​
RB LeipzigGermany
0​
17​
5​
27​
17​
66​
22​
29​
FC SalzburgAustria
5​
21​
16​
10​
7​
59​
23=
25​
VillarrealSpain
9​
8​
16​
0​
25​
58​
23=
20​
BenficaPortugal
17​
4​
17​
10​
10​
58​
25​
23​
Bayer LeverkusenGermany
18​
0​
11​
18​
10​
57​

For all the criticism Tottenham are getting, at least they're in the top 15. It's Inter and AC Milan who are living the most charmed lives amongst the founders.

Sevilla/Roma can count themselves as particularly unlucky.
 

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I was just looking at the club coefficients for Europe:

20212020ClubCountry2016–172017–182018–192019–202020–21Total
1​
1​
Bayern MunichGermany
22​
29​
20​
36​
27​
134​
2​
2​
Real MadridSpain
33​
32​
19​
17​
25​
126​
3​
3​
BarcelonaSpain
23​
25​
30​
24​
20​
122​
4=
6​
Manchester CityEngland
18​
22​
25​
25​
30​
120​
4=
5​
JuventusItaly
33​
23​
21​
22​
21​
120​
6​
4​
Atlético MadridSpain
29​
28​
20​
22​
16​
115​
7​
7​
Paris Saint-GermainFrance
20​
19​
19​
31​
24​
113​
8​
9​
Manchester UnitedEngland
26​
20​
19​
22​
22​
109​
9​
10​
LiverpoolEngland
0​
30​
29​
18​
24​
101​
10=
11​
ArsenalEngland
19​
21​
26​
10​
22​
98​
10=
8​
SevillaSpain
19​
21​
13​
26​
19​
98​
12​
15​
ChelseaEngland
0​
18​
30​
17​
27​
92​
13​
12​
Borussia DortmundGermany
22​
10​
18​
18​
22​
90​
14=
17​
RomaItaly
13​
25​
17​
11​
22​
88​
14=
12​
Tottenham HotspurEngland
10​
21​
26​
16​
15​
88​
16​
19​
PortoPortugal
17​
17​
23​
7​
23​
87​
17​
21​
AjaxNetherlands
22​
1.5​
27​
13​
19​
82.5​
18​
12​
Shakhtar DonetskUkraine
14​
19​
10​
22​
14​
79​
19​
15​
LyonFrance
22​
14​
17​
23​
0​
76​
20​
18​
NapoliItaly
17​
10​
18​
19​
10​
74​
21​
31​
RB LeipzigGermany
0​
17​
5​
27​
17​
66​
22​
29​
FC SalzburgAustria
5​
21​
16​
10​
7​
59​
23=
25​
VillarrealSpain
9​
8​
16​
0​
25​
58​
23=
20​
BenficaPortugal
17​
4​
17​
10​
10​
58​
25​
23​
Bayer LeverkusenGermany
18​
0​
11​
18​
10​
57​

For all the criticism Tottenham are getting, at least they're in the top 15. It's Inter and AC Milan who are the most charmed amongst the founders. And Sevilla/Roma can count themselves as unlucky.
Sevilla said they declined. Not sure if they were asked.
 

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Just what everyone needs - Perez running his mouth and acting as a de facto spokesperson for the Suicide Squad.
Hillarious. He is presenting himself like world saviour. Soon he will want a statue.

UEFA, FIFA and other associations should just say "save this" and just go on with consenquences.
 

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I know I'm in the minority but I'm looking forward to a CL without these teams. Less money, but hopefully more historical teams making the final rounds and a lot more variety in terms of countries. I'm excited about it, I hope UEFA doesn't do away with it.
 

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"Some of us have been spunking money with no consideration of the consequences for years. We've resigned academy products at world record fees, given hundreds of millions to agents, let salaries spiral out of control, made shocking managerial appointments and lost CL matches to teams who had loaned our very own failed Galacticos. Our ludicrous wastefulness and staggering lack of foresight has been hammered home by this pandemic and now we want to tear up the fabric of domestic football to make up for our own mistakes. We're the good guys."
Well when you put it like that...
 

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So what's the thinking of the PL 6 who by being part of the PL agreed not to compete in other competitions?

Do they think the PL will just cave?
 

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So what could the government do?

We they have the power of taxation. Could make it quite costly to a business venture.

They also control work visas for players of the team and visa to enter the country.
Could you imagine added red tape for a team from Spain to enter GB if the government wanted it to be.
 

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For those who still think that this isn't happening...

Uh oh.
Hmm, because I'm sure business novices like Abramovich and whatever country it is that own City regularly sign binding multi-decade contracts on ultra high risk projects with absolutely no exit clauses..
 

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I don't give a damn about City and PSG and I also won't make moronic points about Barcelona just to eventually admit that I'm talking through my backside. Barcelona almost bankrupted themselves out of stupidity, you admitted it yourself.
It's hilarious that your somehow a shill for both opposing oil teams because you disagree on whether or not Barcelona were the architect of their own demise.