European Super League

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Infra-red

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Things might start getting a bit more interesting if there's any truth in this
City and Chelsea were the last to join and have been reported as the most reluctant.

Seems this has largely been pushed by the Americans (United, Liverpool, Arsenal) together with Perez and Agnelli. The others just came along for fear of missing out.

If Chelsea & City pull out, I wonder if Barca, Spurs, Atletico, Inter and AC Milan might follow.
 

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When City have more morals than us. Christ.
From an ownership point of view... They are the play things of some rich Saudi's. But you can't deny at least is that their goal is to just be the best (whatever the motivation/background/alternate reasons behind that goal is irrelevant to this), while the goal of the owners of United/Liverpool/Arsenal are purely to make as much money as possible and they care nothing about actually winning. It's the same with Abramovich. People with so much money that they don't know what to do with it they just want to stroke their ego's. They are a cancer to football, but in a sick way they at least just want to do whatever it takes to be the #1 team. It's fecked up whatever way you look at it though.
 

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It’s all that spit in his mouth. Messes with his sibilance.
This is how Scouse is spoken. He clearly didn't say 'shitty'. It's how Scouse sounds. Just fill your mouth with spit and snot and try to speak, this will sound genuine Scouse.
 

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Man City Chelsea. bet
Yeah no way we're one of the two. This is a dream coming true for the Glazers. Ton of money ? Check. No expectations or worrying about top 4 anymore ? Check. The Glazers will support Perez to the extreme for it to go through.
 

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City and Chelsea were the last to join and have been reported as the most reluctant.

Seems this has largely been pushed by the Americans (United, Liverpool, Arsenal) together with Perez and Agnelli. The others just came along for fear of missing out.

If Chelsea & City pull out, I wonder if Barca, Spurs, Atletico, AC Milan and Inter might follow.
Barca won't. Barca need this financially because they are a horribly run business. It's Barca, Madrid, Juve and the American owned English clubs (more so United and Liverpool) who are responsible.
 

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Imagine City and Liverpool pull out, we have to watch them fighting for the Premier League while United carry on with the Super League bullshit.
Swap ‘Super’ for ‘Europa’ and it’s basically what you’ve spent the last three seasons doing anyway.
 

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They’ve been working on this for years they will have done their research. Talk of them getting kicked from domestic leagues is a bit pointless although fun.
Everything about this smacks of it being data driven, the Americans involved will have done intensive market research in to why and how this can work. What issues are at the forefront of fans minds and champion themselves as saviours by enacting those changes I.e microphones on refs.

The stuff on young fans shorter games it all points one way. They’ve been thoroughly planning this out for a long while. When FSG came in their approach was to be innovative and use data to exploit gaps in the market and bridge relative financial disparity.
It’s sickening they’ve decided to then use that same approach to close competition and maximise their own profits and revenues.
 

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Barca won't. Barca need this financially because they are a horribly run business. It's Barca, Madrid, Juve and the American owned English clubs (more so United and Liverpool) who are responsible.
Even if it won't stop it completely straight away 2 clubs saying feck it off is a start at least
 

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They'll request their replicas back from the club museums. But, yeah, I take your point.

However, it may be the only card UEFA have left to play.
Jesus if that's a card they were considering playing to try to stop this, then they've already lost.

I hate the whole idea of this but all these clubs have crossed the rubicon. I don't think there's any going back now, UEFA and the FA's will sadly cave as they always do.
 

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When City have more morals than us. Christ.
Hardly. They have money and will be free to spend them now. The oil clubs don't need the cash injection and can use this as a way to bump their CL numbers.
 

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If Chelsea and City pull out then it doesn't happen, the rest of the clubs will buckle at that point.
 

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Is Klopp thick? Why is he attacking Gary Neville? Did he really say Neville followed the money by playing for more than a decade for Man United? Huh?

How disappointing. I thought he'd be one of the few managers who'd stand up to this. Instead he's out there attacking someone who probably hates this Super League thing as much as he does.
Is the sky blue? He is one dumb motherfecker, really comes across as a grade A imbecile.
 

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Pretty sure they said contracts are signed. It really does seem too far gone. Hope not but theres a weird PR exercise over Chelsea and City at the minute with this reluctant participants nonsense.
Think it's just wishful thinking from some journos who've had their collective tongues up City and Chelsea's rings for far too long.
 

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Imagine City and Liverpool pull out, we have to watch them fighting for the Premier League while United carry on with the Super League bullshit.
It’ll likely be City and Chelsea mate, the glazers and FSG colluded on project big picture. Absolutely no reason to think this isn’t being driven and pioneered by them.
 

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It wouldnt have gone this far if they didnt have everything signed. Theres no reason to believe everybody is going into this shitstorm relying on promises and pinky swears
 

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If Chelsea and City pull out then it doesn't happen, the rest of the clubs will buckle at that point.
I highly doubt that.

You'd need one of the driving/leading clubs to pull to incite a buckle.

By all accounts, City/Chelsea were reluctant to join.

One of Real, United, Arsenal, Liverpool or Juventus need to pull out. But it won't happen. Those 5 clubs want it the most.
 

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Everything about this smacks of it being data driven, the Americans involved will have done intensive market research in to why and how this can work. What issues are at the forefront of fans minds and champion themselves as saviours by enacting those changes I.e microphones on refs.

The stuff on young fans shorter games it all points one way. They’ve been thoroughly planning this out for a long while. When FSG came in their approach was to be innovative and use data to exploit gaps in the market and bridge relative financial disparity.
It’s sickening they’ve decided to then use that same approach to close competition and maximise their own profits and revenues.
It is sickening and the way it has come out to the public screams of arrogance. They know they can’t be punished. As someone mentioned, look at how Man City won their court case last season it was that simple. These clubs have done their research before committing to that ludicrous contract.
 

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This should all be noted.
It might play great in Spain, but Perez just ensured that tomorrow the fire and fury in England is going to redouble. He sounds like a crazy old bastard who is willing to change any aspect of the game as long as the clubs make more money.

As a PR response to the UK government and opposition speaking out already against his plans, it's probably the stupidest thing he could have done.
 

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Yeah no way we're one of the two. This is a dream coming true for the Glazers. Ton of money ? Check. No expectations or worrying about top 4 anymore ? Check. The Glazers will support Perez to the extreme for it to go through.
We'll end up with some pig-me mini league made of 7 teams. Most depraved cnut's league. Madrid, United, Arsenal, Spurs, Inter, Milan and Barca.
 

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The Glazers have never cared about what the team did or what trophies we won. They were just always worrying for losing money due to no qualifying to CL and this competition pretty much solves this problem for them.

They will move heaven and earth for this competition to go through.
 

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I highly doubt that.

You'd need one of the driving/leading clubs to pull to incite a buckle.

By all accounts, City/Chelsea were reluctant to join.

One of Real, United, Arsenal, Liverpool or Juventus need to pull out. But it won't happen. Those 5 clubs want it the most.
It won’t be Arsenal. Kroenke sees this as a way out of mediocrity which is where Arsenal are right now.
 

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Can someone post Perez's comments in his interview? Romano has tweeted it but I can't post media.
To summarise

- none of CL or EL semi finalists will be booted out the competition this season
- kids don't care about small teams so we don't care. Maybe games are too long for them to concentrate so we will maybe make the games shorter.
- contract of the super league is binding, so none of the original 12 can leave without breaking their contract.
- players cannot legally be banned from international tournaments
 

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I highly doubt that.

You'd need one of the driving/leading clubs to pull to incite a buckle.

By all accounts, City/Chelsea were reluctant to join.

One of Real, United or Juventus need to pull out. But it won't happen.
If Chelsea & City pull out now, this is dead in the water. Bayern have already said no, PSG haven't signed on (and if they tried the French government will likely feck them anyway) and there aren't any other teams big enough to tilt the balance.

They played their cards and now it's all about momentum. Any big dropouts and it's done.
 

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Even if it won't stop it completely straight away 2 clubs saying feck it off is a start at least
Every little helps. It's a fine balance - yes you have a lot of big clubs signed up, but you also have the likes of Bayern, PSG, Marseille, Dortmund, Porto, Benfica, Ajax, Roma, Napoli, Valencia not joining. If City and Chelsea were to pull out (and therefore re-join the latter camp), the balance starts tipping away from the so called "elite" and the Super League looks a less prestigious prospect than the current Champions League.

A Super League consisting of United, Arsenal, Real, Atletico, Milan, Barca, Inter and Spurs alone, doesn't look very "super".
 

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I highly doubt that.

You'd need one of the driving/leading clubs to pull to incite a buckle.

By all accounts, City/Chelsea were reluctant to join.

One of Real, United, Arsenal, Liverpool or Juventus need to pull out. But it won't happen. Those 5 clubs want it the most.
They might do but if Bayern, PSG, Chelsea and City all decide to stay away then that's a big power base that has decided they don't want any involvement which will jeopardise any sense of monopoly the clubs in the ESL will want. That will cause doubts in those other clubs if the project will even succeed.
 

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If Chelsea & City pull out now, this is dead in the water. Bayern have already said no, PSG haven't signed on (and if they tried the French government will likely feck them anyway) and there aren't any other teams big enough to tilt the balance.

They played their cards and now it's all about momentum. Any big dropouts and it's done.
I hope you're right, but I highly doubt City/Chelsea pulling out changes anything.