No it doesn't. Go back and look at the CL group stage 2 from the 00's. It was the pinnacle of elite football:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000–01_UEFA_Champions_League_second_group_stage#
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000–01_UEFA_Champions_League_second_group_stage#
Aye but it has always peed me off that Real were able to afford to take Ronaldo off us because they got far more money from the La Liga tv rights than we were..and it continues. Talk about Financial Fair play? There has never been any when Real.and Barca get half the Tv revenues and the rest of La Liga including Atletico share the rest, while in the Prem all the clubs get an equal share. So there is no differential between what Burnley get and what United get. Who wants to watch Burnley?
If City agreed to join then there’s no way there’s an enforceable spending cap. Not after the way they took the piss with FFP.
Charming. At least we aren't a plastic club.
The same reason as Spurs and Arsenal. TV ratings. Obviously.
Significant financial advantage, yes. But also significant financial mismanagement. The greed of these clubs is sickening.
For people that missed it, this is where it comes from it's a long standing issue. This sentence echoes what the G-14, ECA and the cartel of top clubs have been doing for more than 20 years.
"treason", bloody hell. I think so many fans are getting too emotional, they want it to replace the CL, we've replaced the old EC in my time, we've been banned from it for years too.
People hate change, but makes no mistake, the takeovers of PSG and City have forced this.
Beckham, Ronaldo, Rooney. Scape goats for poorly managed teams that the media convinced everyone would win the World Cup.You what?
Of course he did, he's probably the footballer whose benefitted most from Sky's dominance.
I must have missed Gary ripping Sky a new one over their above inflation price increases at the time of pandemic.
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Have you forgotten UEFA-gate?
Of course it is, once Oil rich countries were allowed to own football clubs this was inevitable.
Bang on.
State run clubs
£100 match tickets
£100m players
Subscription viewing...
yet the PL and FIFA are victims....feck em.
That's not why they were able to take Ronaldo, it's because he wanted to leave.
He's fecking shill. Sully you've made more informative posts in 12 months than Ducker and Ogden have did in years. Last time Ogden got something right was when he said that United wanted Lukaku on Phill Brown's show. I mean he's a total fecking shill. It would be awkward if you were that ugly looking creature.
The point (imo) is that the football landscape has been changed by both petro-state owners and those like the Glazers who were not only interested in making money from United but had a distinct agenda for the future of top-level football. Barca and Real buying into this super-league is a reflection of that changed landscape.
Ultimately this is football reaping what it sowed.
And a lot of the fans who will now complain about are among those who would dismiss concerns about Glazer ownership and/or welcome the idea of Saudi investment in the club without thought to what it does to the way football works.
It's a total dead rubber of a tournament they want that no fans are remotely interested in and at the same time it's a slap in the face to all the other clubs in Europe. It's utterly shameless and every fan should be outraged.
That clears that up for me.
And Sky trying to charge PPV games.
I'd imagine similar things are being said about other owners in their own countries / via their own local reporters. Naturally, a United forum will gravitate towards the local view of our own parasites.Why are the Glazers getting all the shit for this?
Never hear the media criticizing FSG.
And it's only a couple of hours since Neville reserved his most scathing criticism for Liverpool on Sky.
Christ, not only is it absolutely mental from a fan perspective, with most away games needing a trip abroad, and it won't be long before United Liverpool is played at the Raymond James Stadium in Tampa too, but its just random teams.
I mean you could put Arsenal in a league of one and they'd still find a way to come second at the moment.
I mean you could put Arsenal in a league of one and they'd still find a way to come second at the moment.
Definitely feels like the idea came from America. They don't use the system of people being relegated or promoted. NFL and NBA teams are fixed...not matter how bad they are.
Sadly the fact that the person you are replying to is unaware of this very basic fact is of no surprise.
The formation of the PL was a minor act of rebranding compared to this, which will radically alter the European football landscape. No comparison at all.
Boris Johnson: "Plans for a European Super League would be very damaging for football and we support football authorities in taking action"
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I see your point, but in football, success usually breeds more success i.e. clubs that "earn their way to the top" usually stay at the top for a long time unless something disruptive happens (like new money injected into other clubs for example).
Effectively United had monopoly over Manchester and Arsenal had monopoly over London until Chelsea & City had serious money injected into their clubs.
Without that money, United & Arsenal would continue to have a chokehold over Manchester and London pretty much permanently.
Btw, I shouldn't have said that I have no respect for your opinion, I think that was rude and uncalled for, so apologies for that.
(I should also add that the PL benefited somewhat from serious investment. We could conceivably have 4 English finalists in European competitions yet again -Arsenal/United/Chelsea/City are all European semi finalists)
Welcomed in by the PL and UEFA.
Well....I am going to call it now.
I don't think this will happen.
The clubs must be aware that there is a very real risk that the domestic leagues will kick them out so that means no FA Cup or Premiership (how the hell do away fans travel to matches in a Super League?). No Champions League meaning the running thread that is the CL and was the European Cup will end.
A very real risk that FIFA and UEFA will ban players involved from playing in the World Cup and Euros so would be interesting to see how players would react to that.
I don't think this will happen.
The clubs must be aware that there is a very real risk that the domestic leagues will kick them out so that means no FA Cup or Premiership (how the hell do away fans travel to matches in a Super League?). No Champions League meaning the running thread that is the CL and was the European Cup will end.
A very real risk that FIFA and UEFA will ban players involved from playing in the World Cup and Euros so would be interesting to see how players would react to that.
Don't get me started on our owners. They are parasites. But we are relatively competitive in spite of them.
This whole idea is awful I agree but it's definitely partly in response to City n PSG. I have no doubt about it.
So six teams should leave the league?
I won't be watching if it means I have to find even more money. I am sick of being ripped off. I will just watch the PL without United if it happens. Sky would be mad to kick the Big 6 out, unless they sneakily renegotiate to contract for less money.
Heres the thing, i think somethings needed and its thanks to the EPL. We were a Newcastle away from having another oil club in our league. Can you imagine the Saudis, City, a well run Utd and Chelsea all pushing each other?
England would be a super league in itself. Winning the league is fast appoaching being harder to win the the European cup.
This isnt the answer though. No club has a right to be at the top which Barca and Madrid (especially) are saying with this. We get to bully other clubs in the market but when the other shoe falls we need to revamp the CL..ok El Classico.
The likes of Utd, Spurs etc have been battling oil money for a long time now, just join in on the struggle at this point.
True, but the point is that history is written. I have my own reservations about this, but that isn't one of them.
I'm not outraged, because of the bigger picture. If City and PSG were stopped, I'd be dead against it, but feck the U.A.E and the FA, the fecking cnuts have utterly devalued the competition and City's domination is accelerating, no team can compete against a state without massive reform.
Okay apart from the loyalists in here most people don't want it. Big wheels turning, us minions have no idea. I have to wonder if its a phoney war, that something else is the real target. #GlazersOut
Indeed. I certainly have little sympathy for those whose failures of governance have brought us to this point.
I agree. I am beyond appalled that execs at our club have even discussed breaking away from English football. What would be left? Leicester, West Ham and Everton, Leeds, Villa....
Good on Bayern for coming out at rejecting it. Show more feeling for our game than the money-fixated execs in charge of our club. It is a shameful shameful chain of events.
Because this whole idea is based on greed. No surprise that they’d be invited in too. No clubs involved here are better or worse than each other. It’s all completely indicative of how the world runs.