Weirdly it's been the opposite for me. I've found football in general a tad boring of late with mostly the oil-driven clubs leading the charge. At least this has caused some controversy that has ignited a bit of passion in the game.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
It'll be a grim day if City and/or Liverpool show more balls than us and drop out and we desperately cling on to this boondoggle for the faint sniff of cash.
May need to re-evaluate some things then.
May need to re-evaluate some things then.
Chelsea have been looking to buy that out for years now to move to a new stadium haven't they?
Without Chelsea leasing the stadium could that group afford the upkeep?
Incidentally, I don't think any of them lot expected the gov to get involved. Yeah serious blowback was to be expected but not from Tories and Labour in unison. We could potentially end up with a Germany style ownership out of this shit show. Glazer's, Kroenke may have inadvertently seen themselves off. Hopefully.
I think you're confusing passion with frustration
they are snakes who have conspired behind the backs and against the will of the people. However folks have let it happen. Anyone willing to 'listen' is as bad because they listen to a cheap sale. But nationalism is racist so they got people all tied up. Its all greed and evil for them to do this. Dont listen to liars. People need to learn. Of course capitalism is used to push communism or socialism. Capitalism is fine in a free open market but thats not what we have. We have a system in place to enslave. Government gave up right to make money for you interest free. So why do folks think they listen? This super league is a pig with lipstick on it. Its still a pig.
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Well we've been in the CL 2 out of the last 3 years. Plus the Europa isn't that bad, you'll love it next year if Liverpool qualify.
Even if it is, the idea is out there. If it gets binned now, it'll come back in one way or another within a year. No way football stays in its current format after what happened in the last 24 hours.
Maybe I'm just convinced that I can't see this happening.I think you're confusing passion with frustration
I'm not frustrated by this by any means, this has been on the cards for a long while. It's all about whether or not it happens and what the ramifications could be. I find trying to what that out quite fascinating.
Is this true then? You have to notify then, hence nothing is signed?
Probably not, but it's worth noting that it's not just the freehold on the stadium, it's the clubs name too. Roman cannot just move the team elsewhere and remain Chelsea Football Club.
Now the reporters are hearing stuff that they didn't know was gonna happen until the press release was ready to go? Get out of here. This came from the very top, from people who do not talk to the media. The whispers wouldn't come out.
There's just a 250 million gap.
If there were a realistic outcome I'd actually be for it. So many matches these days are mind numbingly one sided attack v defense, at least if all teams were closer in resources it might become a competition again.
After a quick Google search l0l turns out they do actually own the stadium ! So it may just be true.
I agree with this. Football has needed a cleaning out for a while now but if this just leads us to clapping hands for City as they win 9 titles in 10 years then the whole thing is fecked since what are we even trying to protect?
Get the Glazers out, City owners out, Roman out. Salary cap, wage cap, independent transfer evalaution, get the lot in.
Leave Martin Edwards alone!
More critically probably is all the talk from Perez making it sound like all the clubs will be required to open their books and disclose a lot more - do we really think especially City and Chelsea think that's a grand idea ? Seems unlikely.
Good. I hope they do. Otherwise this is the end of everythingwe love. Next they will move the Manchester Liverpool Derby to some stadium in Boston.
Can the Queen seize the 6 clubs with Parliament's help? Doesn't she technically own all the land in the UK?
City & Chelsea? They were rumoured to be the 2 who didn’t really want to join but felt like they had to.
That's why the clubs need to be punished, not just some compromise reached. They've been waving this gun around for a long time and it was a scary threat. Now they've started firing. We can't just go back to a situation where they can threaten again whenever they please.
This is a shitty situation, but if the right people hold their nerve it's also a great opportunity to break the stranglehold these feckers have over the game.
We should have learned back in 08 that 'too big to fail' is toxic bullshit.
Shortens easily to "trump"
They'll maintain their position until the envelopes show up. It is FIFA we're talking about here.
"There are too many players on the pitch. Maybe turn it into a 5-aside. End to end stuff"
That is always the danger but not if this spurs the governments on to finally sort this mess out and reform the way football is run.
100%
If Chelsea are resolute in joining this as they seem to be. Then do you see the pitch owners holding them up in reality?
If they got difficult and Chelsea just walk away play at Wembley, have to change their name and the free hold are forced to sell the bridge that would basically be the end of Chelsea as the entity we know them as. Like Wimbledon moving to Milton Keynes.
Them and Barca and Real - those two are in really bad financial positions (Barca more so than Real) after years of mismanagement, suspect they saw this as the perfect way to fix up their balance sheets
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Every match is gonna be like the superbowl
Oh for sure. A breakaway competition where only 10 clubs actually agree to it is something that will never take off. Bayern, Dortmund and PSG rejecting it is big too. This sort of thing can only work if all of the main guys buy into it. The main guys are United, Liverpool, Real Madrid, Barca, Bayern, Juve and probably Chelsea/Man City/PSG. Bayern resisted, PSG resisted, Man City and Chelsea dropping out would be a hammer blow to them, but who knows what sort of contracts were signed here. It'll collapse without them. Thing is, the teams involved should all be punished regardless even if it doesn't go through. Could even see them still try and make it work but it completely fail, at which point the remainder of football wouldn't want to let them back in unless they comply with their rules/requirements.
Sadly the Human Rights Act put pay to that legal fiction. There was a High Court case in 2008 which basically ruled this hypothetical out (in relation to other types of association).
Ceferin, who has been Uefa president since 2016, has overseen an agreement on a new-look 36-team Champions League but made clear his disdain for the ESL project.
"We are all united against this nonsense of a project," he said.
"I cannot stress more strongly how everyone is united against these disgraceful, self-serving proposals, fuelled by greed above all else.
"[It is a] cynical plan, completely against what football should be. We cannot and will not allow that to change.
"Players who will play in the teams that might play in the closed league will be banned from the World Cup and Euros. We urge everyone to stand tall with us as we do everything in our power to ensure this never ends up in fruition.
"This idea is a spit in the face of all football lovers. We will not allow them to take it away from us."
Anyone else feels it is super ridiculous that UEFA is talking player bans and not club bans. All the threats maybe futile in the end, but if he wants to threaten someone with dire consequences, then it should be the clubs.
This is the real issue. Oil clubs inflated the market, regular clubs have to scrape to keep up...super league.
The problem with those 90 minute games, is that sometimes the game is already decided with half an hour to go. So maybe we need to make the final 10-minutes of all games next goal wins?
Juve too. It's for different reasons. City, United, Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal aren't in a bad financial state at all. It's just greed from the owners. Or at least from United/Liverpool/Arsenal. Chelsea and City are probably just in by FOMO, as their owners never really looked to be in it to make money or worried about money, but just to win everything and get famous. Madrid, Barcelona and Juventus are in a financial crisis due to mismanagement, and are looking at this as their chance to save themselves without changing their models, rather than change their models to be actual decent, sustainable business models. No idea with Milan or Inter, they're probably just happy to be invited and because they needed some other Italian teams.
feck knows how and why Spurs were involved, also not quite sure on their financials but they did just build this fancy new stadium.
A number of very rich people have expressed a lot of interest in buying the club previously. Roman wouldn't gain a lot by walking away with a team under a new name, if someone else could just come in and restart the actual Chelsea FC at the Bridge.
Last I checked Chelsea are worth over $2b. Roman isn't going to throw away a large part of that value for no good reason, in that scenario he'd be considerably better off just selling it and starting something totally fresh.
Arsenal and Spurs
Arsenal are having second thought about being the whipping boys of ESL and Spurs are still confused why they are being pulled into this
No, but the government has the power to nationalise companies. Not something the Tories would be keen on but this is a clear threat in lots of ways to the future of English football.
Edit: of course we're listed on the New York stock exchange so that may change matters in terms of what government can do.
Pretty sure they're talking about both. There's already been suggestions that Real, City and Chelsea could be kicked out of the CL this season (presumably PSG then win it by default?) and I'd assume that if that came to pass they'd do the same for the Europa - so a Villareal vs Roma final...
Personally, I hope they do