All they've got to do is change the name and wait for the environment to change a bit, which it might well do if City spend 250m+ this summer. In all but name there is already a super league out there. This is just an attempt to formalise it and put some rules in place.
So what you mean is that English clubs will pay a colossal fine for leaving the Super League, and that that is preferred to an alternative agreement that gets all parties closer?
Yeah 100%.
I highly doubt the fine is legally enforceable but what you say is correct. Throw enough money at the PL - have a clear pathway for any club to enter it - ensure the payments flow throughout the pyramid - and they’ll vote it through. It’ll just replace the CL.
Why? It's JP Morgan we talk about, they don't get rich by signing contracts that are not legally enforceable.
Jaysus
I agree. Feels like United are the only club that can still compete with the Oil and Oligarch money while operating on their own profits, but for how long? We are already deep in debt.
Because even to my untrained eye the ESL never actually formed. What got announced was an intention to form. It doesn’t exist. There’s no way the EPL clubs signed a contract they had to pay hundreds of millions to get out of without seeing public reaction first despite what Mr Perez may say. And JP Morgan distanced themselves from it haven’t they? They’ve condemned it. The ESL only currently exists with 3 clubs, everyone else has backed away.
its true.
How can you be that sure, what do you base this on? Are you saying that when the media speaks about such contract it is nothing but a huge myth?
United have spend a nearly identical amount in the last ten years. City chose to spend it on replacements for (expensive) mistakes, United chose to spend it on record breaking sums for Pogba, Lukaku, Maguire and on astronomical wages for Sanchez, De Gea and others.
Are you seriously suggesting AC Milan, Barcelona and the likes are in trouble because of the "oil clubs"? That is just ridiculous.
Tell me exactly how Leicester have fairly generated their income?
While I agree there are at least two teams who will never have to deal with that reality.
So making that gap even bigger is the solution?
Seriously as long as you have to qualify for it as you have to for CL & EL I have no problem with the UEFA shitbags not getting a piece of the pie. But I can't quite see the driving forces behind this completely giving up on giving the big name teams a certain advantage. But if this is completely fair and the money is shared fairly between all participating teams, I don't see a reason why fecking UEFA should be involved.
Let me guess: the founding clubs will be safe, but there will always be 3-5 teams fighting to stay. So even if one of these smaller clubs manage to outperform one of the founding clubs, they may still get relegated instead of that founding club.
Yes.
I agree re city and Chelsea but it doesn’t mean we just let madrid and Barca off the hook for their own failures over many years. Madrid didn’t give a bollock about anyone else, using their media mouthpieces to unsettle everyone’s players. Why should we give a bollock about them? Let them go back to basics, generate and save like most other teams on the planet.
They have ruined football. They will dominate and can not be caught. It has accelerated in the last five years and will become an inevitability.
Sometimes we need to say no for the sake of football
There will never be an agreement. It’s not the fans who will pay an fine and the fans of West Ham etc won’t give a feck what anybody pays if they have to at all.
There is literally 0 reason to believe this. Yes, every era has dominant teams, but no matter how rich and unbeatable a team is, this never lasts.
okay then, if that's what you really believe.Where were Villa before Chelsea come along?There is literally 0 reason to believe this. Yes, every era has dominant teams, but no matter how rich and unbeatable a team is, this never lasts.
In the decade before PSG came along, Lyon won 7 titles (and came 2nd twice). Before Juve won 9 in a row, Inter won 5 in a row.
Also, why isn't Bayern and Juve winning 9 titles in a row a problem? Because they've earned their own money? It's still monopolising and destroying any opposition. The PL has never been more interesting than in the last ten years, imo.
Because Villa were obviously top 5 regulars before City came along? Their PL finishes in the 5 years before the Mansour take-over: 11th - 16th - 10th - 6th - 16th
And Tottenham were battling it out for the title every year? If anything, they came closest when both City and Chelsea were already taken over (and blew it like they always do).
Well said. I think it points more and more at the oil clubs too. They need to be punished heavily. The rest have had to scramble to keep up with them and now look where it has left them. Theyre constantly inflating the market and yet they can cheat ffp and get away with it. They are the reason behind the esl.
Fans of the big clubs, the whole reason they are big clubs is because they have the biggest fan following.
But which ones specifically are you referring to because I haven’t seen fans of the Manchester clubs, or Liverpool change their minds? So I’m wondering who you specifically are referring to?
And the big clubs underestimated the local support or legacy fans.They’re the ones with season tickets and they’re the ones that will cancel games.
I mainly know fans of Liverpool, Arsenal and Manchester United. They all are open to it, even more open are the casual fans as they would love to see Real Madrid vs United several times a year.
Chelsea and City have never wanted the Super League. Why strengthen those spanish clubs who are rivals when they can use the opportunity to try and dominate for the next 10 years?
Exactly. I don’t see one single reason as to why they’d carry on with it. There is no need for them.
Not the feedback we get in here.
I am certainly no Abu Dhabi fan but they didn't cheat. They used the massive loopholes in FFP. The only spending cap in FFP is revenue and when you have a state behind you there is no limits to what kind of revenue you can artificially generate. UEFA trying to invalidate sponsorship from various Emirati/Qatari groups was never going to stand in court. Uefa can't prove that Etihad was directed by Mansoor to give City that deal.
