Definitely not the feedback from my mates on Facebook (Irish)— all opposed it.
European Super League
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It will be as boring as watching paint dry, but these Johnny come lately types just don't seem to grasp that football, any sport, is exciting only because of the competitiveness and the element of risk.
Someone said they would like to see United play Real Madrid 6 times a year.
I wouldn't, that would be absolutely dire, there would be nothing special about the occasion at all.
So, what if Real hammered United every time they met, would you still like this fixture 6 times a year?
These are all dead rubber exhibition games, any interest from casual day tripper fans will soon evaporate, just as it will with 'legacy' fans that have been switched onto it.
Then what unholy carnage will you be left with?
It’s not going to happen. Even if ESL’s rules get amended so it’s not a closed shop. As if we’re meant to believe that likes or Real Madrid, Juve and Barca would lose relegation from their own competition. It will still be a closed shop in all but name. You’re right, there is no jeopardy in that and therefore no excitement. American owners like Henry and Glazers failed to understand and yet they still tried to push this but I severely doubt that they’ll try again after the enormous blowback they got a few months back. They’ll be signing their own death warrant. No amount of profit is worth it, if you’ll have no club left to run.
I totally agree. Excitement comes from wondering who you’re going to play, maybe even playing someone you haven’t before. 6 times a season becomes a dead duck. I’d probably turn off
yes.. Simply means head to head once every 5 weeks considering a season last upto 8 months. Crazy
I pretty much agree mate, Barca and Real are suffering for their reckless spending over the last 10 years. Some of that will be down to trying to keep up with City and PSG but with Real at least they were doing it 20 years ago so they would probably be doing it regardless.I agree re city and Chelsea but it doesn’t mean we just let madrid and Barca off the hook for their own failures over many years. Madrid didn’t give a bollock about anyone else, using their media mouthpieces to unsettle everyone’s players. Why should we give a bollock about them? Let them go back to basics, generate and save like most other teams on the planet.
as for oil money well it needs to be talked about with regards to carefully monitoring their spending etc. I don’t know, don’t have the answer . Giving them more money in a SL isn’t the answer.
oh even with their 100m player they still got beaten yesterday
I hate the SL idea but I think one thing it would have done was reign in City's spending as they would have had to agree to strict salary and financial limits to gain entry.
But by expanding others, including 2 Spanish teams who’d splash the cash if they had more. I honestly don’t see a bad idea being the cure for another bad idea. They are just 2 bad ideas together that need something different, a different approach to money management
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Summary:
- the Flint consulting agency have first-class contacts with parliamentarians and authorities. Their specialty is discreetly »paving the way« for difficult projects.
- This summer, the company with offices in Brussels and London applied for a particularly delicate contract: They are supposed to unhinge international professional football. The football clubs Real Madrid, FC Barcelona and Juventus Turin want to found a European Super League. Yes still.
- Pérez and his people really want to push through the Super League. And the Flint agency wants to help them with that. They have designed a strategy how the league could still be successful against all odds.
- Spiegel had access to the agency's first draft. The paper has ten pages and is entitled "Preparing the way for the Super League: the strategy for reconstruction, reset - and victory".
- Flint promises to launch a campaign that will be "bulletproof" against attacks of all Super League opponents
- The legal experts from Flint see chances of a victory in front of the European Court of Justice, which would then legitimize the Super League by the highest court. But just winning in court, without conquering the "hearts and minds" of fans and opinion leaders, will not be enough, according to Flint
- The company plans to reverse the negative image of the Super League. With »discreet events« and »briefings for selected politicians, EU bureaucrats and journalists«. The aim is to take away the worries of decision-makers.
- Flint lists important persons who should be influenced: the people of Commission Vice-President Margaritis Schinas, EU parliamentarians with a connection to football like Tomasz Frankowski, media people like EU correspondents of the Financial Times and the FAZ
- Flint experts point out in their paper that it makes no sense to try again with a league that opposes this principle of European football (pro/rel, open to all). Fans and politics would run into storm again.
- the flagship product should be the Super League, there could also be a Super League 2 as a compromise. Promotion and relegation should be possible between these leagues.
- the agency confirmed to SPIEGEL that it had received the Super League mandate from the clubs.
Just ban these 3 clubs from UCL for 2 season and allow us to sign Mbappe or Haaland.
Seems like there are a couple of different issues here:
1. The Spanish / Italian teams can't compete with the PL money and just want more money somehow. They can't join the PL, so either they go through the organic process of branding / improving La Liga and making it more interesting to watch or they fall forever behind the English clubs.
2. The non oil, big English teams hate the lottery that is the CL. A couple of bad years + missing out on CL will reduce TV revenues, sponsorship and make it even harder to compete against the clubs that do make it. Leads to a negative feedback loop.
3. The oil teams (CFC, City) don't have an incentive beyond solidifying their status in football. RM, Barca, Utd etc. are football royalty and they want the same level of prestige. If every traditional big club breaks away from their domestic league, their brand value will drop. PL will be a glorified SPL if City / Chelsea are the only two big clubs left.
#1 is the hardest to solve and yet instead of putting in the hard work to make La Liga more interesting, RM / Barca are being selfish dicks as usual.
#2 All UEFA has to do is to give the PL another guaranteed CL spot and the world would be fine for the PL clubs. Maybe the PL should also step in and give clubs that missed out on CL a bit of extra cash to make up the difference - they do this for the clubs relegated to the championship for instance.
#3 Being rich is nice, the future looks rosy for oil $$.
1. The Spanish / Italian teams can't compete with the PL money and just want more money somehow. They can't join the PL, so either they go through the organic process of branding / improving La Liga and making it more interesting to watch or they fall forever behind the English clubs.
2. The non oil, big English teams hate the lottery that is the CL. A couple of bad years + missing out on CL will reduce TV revenues, sponsorship and make it even harder to compete against the clubs that do make it. Leads to a negative feedback loop.
3. The oil teams (CFC, City) don't have an incentive beyond solidifying their status in football. RM, Barca, Utd etc. are football royalty and they want the same level of prestige. If every traditional big club breaks away from their domestic league, their brand value will drop. PL will be a glorified SPL if City / Chelsea are the only two big clubs left.
#1 is the hardest to solve and yet instead of putting in the hard work to make La Liga more interesting, RM / Barca are being selfish dicks as usual.
#2 All UEFA has to do is to give the PL another guaranteed CL spot and the world would be fine for the PL clubs. Maybe the PL should also step in and give clubs that missed out on CL a bit of extra cash to make up the difference - they do this for the clubs relegated to the championship for instance.
#3 Being rich is nice, the future looks rosy for oil $$.
UEFA Just need to ban Juventus , Barcelona and Real Madrid
So it only took some million-euro-paid consultants for them to get this memo?
At this point this is basically a reform of the Champions League with even more perks for the rich clubs.
The league itself if open would be more acceptable but it is way less flexible to newcomers as in the current system only the winner of competition is guaranteed to participate next year (the rest comes from other competitions).
By making it a league it means only 2 or 3 new clubs could join the following year, basically entrenching all the current rich clubs and only a disaster could make them drop from the league.
Poorer clubs would just be the jesters that appear occasionally.
Will these cnuts feck off already
Who gives a feck if they're broke.
Feck banning Madrid, Barca and Juve. We're finally building a squad that can compete and I don't want to be winning a CL with an asterisk like Liverpool's last title.
We could do with world wide legislation into renewable energy. Shove your oil up your arse
Quite amazing Real Madrid being broke and then offering insane cash for Mbappe with a year left on his contract. You would think they were taking the mick with their previous comments. Surely not.
Next Proposal in January. Juventus Barca and Real are making changes to the Super League:
- There are two scenarios that the clubs are considering. - The first would see three clubs relegated from SuperLeague1 to SuperLeague2, with two teams promoted from SuperLeague 2 and one wild card.
- The second option is something more similar to the current Champions League, but only for the Super League2, to which clubs would qualify thanks to their results in the national leagues. So, the Super League2 would change every year with 17 new clubs and three clubs relegated from the SuperLeague 1.
- There are two scenarios that the clubs are considering. - The first would see three clubs relegated from SuperLeague1 to SuperLeague2, with two teams promoted from SuperLeague 2 and one wild card.
- The second option is something more similar to the current Champions League, but only for the Super League2, to which clubs would qualify thanks to their results in the national leagues. So, the Super League2 would change every year with 17 new clubs and three clubs relegated from the SuperLeague 1.
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So let me get this straight, there’s only 3 teams SL1 at the moment: Real, Barca and Juve, and they’re all proposing that there is 3 relegation slots.
I'm all for pressuring UEFA into giving back more money to the clubs.
Anyway this whole thing sounds like free-wheeling capitalism vs socialism. In the current climate I can't see the Super League happening. Certainly not in this revision as it will still severely hobble the national leagues.
Anyway this whole thing sounds like free-wheeling capitalism vs socialism. In the current climate I can't see the Super League happening. Certainly not in this revision as it will still severely hobble the national leagues.
The English mentioned pyramids, we'll show them a pyramid then.
If they want it to be successful, the reins need to be taken off Madrid and Barca - as they've destroyed La Liga for their own benefit and now want to jump ship because they've mismanaged their own finances. It what world are these two teams qualified to be founders of a new competition.
I'm designing a trebuchet that catapults human beings into a vat of highly concentrated H2SO4
There will be no better occasion to send Barcelona to the second division
Kill it with fire.
What do you mean they want to jump ship?
Interesting.
Well not quite literally leaving the league, but effectively they'd be devaluing La Liga (based on previous proposals) for a guaranteed/inflated income stream from the Super League. Once a better income stream is secured, they'll mentally check out.
Instead, they could stay and help rebuild La Liga's popularity.
Didn't a court ruling specifically ban them from doing that - or issuing fines
so seems unlikely
discrete events == envelopes
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I hate UEFA far more than I hate any of those clubs. UEFA instead of reforming itself after the whole super league debacle, they've decided to maintain the status quo. This is why I wish that the other super league clubs hadn't given up so fast and used the threat of the super league as leverage to properly reform UEFA.
It wad very clear that football fans wanted to keep the status quo. And who could blame Uefa for having this attitude when the super league clubs wanted to destroy Uefa
Madrid, Barca and Juve were right then when they said that UEFA didn't have a foot to stand on when it came to opposing the Super League
It’s on
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The 3 clubs that didn't abandoned the idea now say that they would organize a super league with no fix members and open to anyone.
Would that be acceptable and/or appealing? Would you think that the fans would cause such a stir if that would be done from the beginning?
https://sportsfinding.com/a-super-league-without-privileges/113171/
Would that be acceptable and/or appealing? Would you think that the fans would cause such a stir if that would be done from the beginning?
https://sportsfinding.com/a-super-league-without-privileges/113171/