We are just endlessly being gaslighted. Most of our players aren't sellable and the ones who are we could do with keeping because we sure as shit won't replace them well.
Everyone is up for sale (again)
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We are just endlessly being gaslighted. Most of our players aren't sellable and the ones who are we could do with keeping because we sure as shit won't replace them well.
Lies lies and more lies I believe it when I see it
Every fecking time players have reservations about managers tactics. Please feck off said players. Thanks
Sell the players and sack the manager too.
Thing is, no club would touch our players with a ten-foot poll.
Thing is, no club would touch our players with a ten-foot poll.
Even if it meant relegation at first?
Forest went from a side that could have feasibly been relegated to one that is challenging for the Champions League places.
The whole "it's gonna take years" to do anything is a load of nonsense. Smart recruitment this summer and we could comfortably finish next season between 4th and 8th.
It's should be a three year plan
2026- some form of European qualification
2027 - top 4
2028 - challenge for the title and compete in the Champions League
Even with our (apparently limited) resources, that should be achievable. Not even asking for anything crazy.
On the other hand, there's no guarantee that some of the "surprise packages" of this season will be able to maintain their form, especially for those that get in Europe.
The whole "it's gonna take years" to do anything is a load of nonsense. Smart recruitment this summer and we could comfortably finish next season between 4th and 8th.
It's should be a three year plan
2026- some form of European qualification
2027 - top 4
2028 - challenge for the title and compete in the Champions League
Even with our (apparently limited) resources, that should be achievable. Not even asking for anything crazy.
On the other hand, there's no guarantee that some of the "surprise packages" of this season will be able to maintain their form, especially for those that get in Europe.
Apart from Sancho our players do well for other teams
We're being lead down a path where people have been convinced we need to sell everyone and buy a new team, ensuring that everyone's expectations remain low as we toss another season because an entire new squad is settling in.
Off the pitch, the club remains a mess but, again, with fairly sensible decisions throughout next season, we can have some success.
Again, a decent pragmatic manager with a few decent signings takes us back to the relative heights of a top half finish and European football. If we need to change manager again in 18 months when expectations increase, fair.
The next 3/4 years should be focused on making small but insignificant steps up the table. Ultimately, we need our Ranieri before we find our Mourinho.
We need to find a Blackmore, a Mcclair, a Les Sealey before we find our Cantona and Schmeichel.
Something else worth pointing out is that some players do genuinely thrive and perform better when there's a structure. Take Jordan Henderson, most Liverpool fans would have happily seen him sold in 2013. He ended up being captain for most of their recent success.
Off the pitch, the club remains a mess but, again, with fairly sensible decisions throughout next season, we can have some success.
Again, a decent pragmatic manager with a few decent signings takes us back to the relative heights of a top half finish and European football. If we need to change manager again in 18 months when expectations increase, fair.
The next 3/4 years should be focused on making small but insignificant steps up the table. Ultimately, we need our Ranieri before we find our Mourinho.
We need to find a Blackmore, a Mcclair, a Les Sealey before we find our Cantona and Schmeichel.
Something else worth pointing out is that some players do genuinely thrive and perform better when there's a structure. Take Jordan Henderson, most Liverpool fans would have happily seen him sold in 2013. He ended up being captain for most of their recent success.
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To the tune of 'f*ck em all' a Chelsea masterpiece.
Sell em all, sell em all,
Garnacho, Onana, Mainoo
Because we are impatient
To be the best,
We are United
So Feck all the rest.
Sell em all, sell em all!
Sell em all, sell em all,
Garnacho, Onana, Mainoo
Because we are impatient
To be the best,
We are United
So Feck all the rest.
Sell em all, sell em all!
Keep: Yoro, De Ligt, Heaven (backup), Mazraoui, Dorgu (backup), Diallo, Bruno, Obi (backup)
The rest can be sold if the price is right or loaned if need to develop his game somewhere else…
The rest can be sold if the price is right or loaned if need to develop his game somewhere else…
How about this, use data driven recruitment on players that actually have resale value and dont give them 200k a week.
We have 2 advantages as a club, our name and our revenue. Our name allows us to get players above our station but none of that matters in the PSR era when our debt and previous liabilities mean we have less to spend than our fellow bottom half clubs.
The Ed woodwood "disneyland" shite didnt work then and mathmatically cant work now. we need to completely retool this team with Yoro's, high potential low wage players, languish in midtable for a few years while our outstanding player debt from the dross gets wiped and then be able to actually make profits from player sales when they happen. This is the only way to survive in the PSR era unless you just cheat.
We have 2 advantages as a club, our name and our revenue. Our name allows us to get players above our station but none of that matters in the PSR era when our debt and previous liabilities mean we have less to spend than our fellow bottom half clubs.
The Ed woodwood "disneyland" shite didnt work then and mathmatically cant work now. we need to completely retool this team with Yoro's, high potential low wage players, languish in midtable for a few years while our outstanding player debt from the dross gets wiped and then be able to actually make profits from player sales when they happen. This is the only way to survive in the PSR era unless you just cheat.
This Berrada, Wilcox and Ratcliffe axis is proving to be more toxic than anything before them.
“Real football people, “best in class”…all bollocks.
The 25% INEOS ownership has been a disaster on the pitch and from a PR perspective, arguably the worst the club has ever been.
I agree in culpability for the players, I’m keen for many to go, but this is such a weak way to approach it imo.
“Real football people, “best in class”…all bollocks.
The 25% INEOS ownership has been a disaster on the pitch and from a PR perspective, arguably the worst the club has ever been.
I agree in culpability for the players, I’m keen for many to go, but this is such a weak way to approach it imo.
Didn't they finish 7th under Moyes/Giggs?
Would still be 9 or 10 places above what Ineos utd will achieve this season. It's like their budget cuts have extended to our points tally.
Now is the time to put an end to this nonsense! The perfect time to integrate young, fresh players with hunger and drive into the team. The squad should be built around Yoro, Heaven, Amad, Obi and De Ligt. Maz, Martinez, Dorgu, Garnacho and Ugarte should stay. I'm not putting much stock in next season - we just shouldn't be relegated. Integrate suitable players bit by bit, focusing on playing style with a view to future success. I'm sick of hearing the same thing year after year. Coach here, coach there - of course, he picks the players and sets the pace... But before Amorim it was EtH, before that one, before that one and so on... Rangnick was absolutely right!! Anyone who says otherwise has absolutely no idea about football! HE should have been the sporting director!!
Yoro , Garnacho , Amad , Heaven to keep , rest if they go I be happy if we get any decent money .
Don't believe what's written in the press, or talked about on the radio or Sky sports.. all of these talk bollox or report stuff after the fact.
They claim breaking news this our sources this bloody hell they get the same thing as most of us do on the Internet ffs they make enough stuff up that now and again they hit the bullseye.. Talkshite are the worst..
They claim breaking news this our sources this bloody hell they get the same thing as most of us do on the Internet ffs they make enough stuff up that now and again they hit the bullseye.. Talkshite are the worst..
Out: Evans, Mainoo, Lindelof, Onana, Hojlund, Shaw, Mazorai, Eriksen, Zirkzee, Anthony, Sancho, Rashford.
In: Cunha, Delap, Maignan, Rafa Leao, Angel Correa, Quenda, Reis.
In: Cunha, Delap, Maignan, Rafa Leao, Angel Correa, Quenda, Reis.
Signed for Chelsea
Even by Sir Jim's standards I think selling every single player is going a bit too far when it comes to cost cutting!
Imagine Bruno sold for 100m. Rashford, Sancho and Antony out for 80m (low estimate and likely subsidised contracts for the first two). Seems Garnacho is primed to leave, let's say 60m. Malacia 5m? Clearing wages of Lindelof, Eriksen, Evans.
With a Bruno sale the PSR effect would be enormous. This theoretically could allow a genuine rebuild. Then there are potential windfalls from Alvaro Fernandez and Mason Greenwood.
With a Bruno sale the PSR effect would be enormous. This theoretically could allow a genuine rebuild. Then there are potential windfalls from Alvaro Fernandez and Mason Greenwood.
I think at some point we will have to realise that there is something else wrong with the club. We have gone the player - manager -player-manager cycle for so long with worsening record.
Head in cornflakes
£120m for Bruno is worth it. I’d take £80m
£40m for Marcus
£20m for Sancho
I think Antony might get more than we think especially if a bigger club goes in for him.
£60m to £80m for Garnacho
I’ve come to the conclusion Rasmus is not good enough. But we might get £30m from a West Ham or Everton type club.
We need a reset.
£40m for Marcus
£20m for Sancho
I think Antony might get more than we think especially if a bigger club goes in for him.
£60m to £80m for Garnacho
I’ve come to the conclusion Rasmus is not good enough. But we might get £30m from a West Ham or Everton type club.
We need a reset.
Bore off pal.
Everyone apart from the board seats of the Glazer's and the Rats responsible for this.
Positive assessment in terms of a proactive and, one might say, a much needed ruthless approach to sales. Not sure if the club would recoup as much as the figures you've suggested (e.g. I would imagine Garnacho would be significantly closer to the lower end) but I think it's certainly the correct steps for the club to be taking.
If they’re not suited to the system, move them on, Bruno included.
How many times have managers fallen foul of the players? Don’t keep making the same mistakes.
Back the manager, back his system, move on the players that’s don’t fit, and bring in others that do. Only then can he be judged.
Then just sack him around Christmas when it all goes tits up.
This is the silver lining of not getting Champs League.
We can trim the squad and move on the players that "can't play this system"
Amorim's not going anywhere so they're going to have to suck it up.
I wanted us to win but also thought most of this team didn't deserve it.
I'm also fairly optimistic for some reason.
Seeing us have 70 odd percent possession and six shots to Spurs's one with these players?
Saw the same against Chelsea where we started well, controlled the game but it broke down as soon as it reached the front man.
If we had a half decent striker we could have at least scored on both occasions.
We can trim the squad and move on the players that "can't play this system"
Amorim's not going anywhere so they're going to have to suck it up.
I wanted us to win but also thought most of this team didn't deserve it.
I'm also fairly optimistic for some reason.
Seeing us have 70 odd percent possession and six shots to Spurs's one with these players?
Saw the same against Chelsea where we started well, controlled the game but it broke down as soon as it reached the front man.
If we had a half decent striker we could have at least scored on both occasions.
Admittedly I didn’t watch the Chelsea game, but I didn’t think we created enough clear cut chances against Spurs where I thought a half decent striker would have scored. If anything we looked like we couldn’t break Spurs down. Think we’re missing more people who can take players on and create space for themselves and others. Also not fully convinced that this system is helping the players create openings and chances but I’m open to be proved wrong when/if Ruben gets the right players in.
Garnacho may be the first out.
Like Chelsea, it took a while to really see it get going with Forest though
I remember a thread asking what on earth they are doing in their first season back in the premier league because they were spending so much money and signing so many players. Also another thread when they signed Elliot Anderson from Newcastle in the summer with some suggestions from posters that its some corrupt FFP stuff
Indeed.
Some people on here rate him
It won't.
I mean, LVG had 2 summers, Mourinho had 3 summers, Ole had 3 summers, ETH had 3 summers? How many windows do we have to give them to create their own team?
The problem those 4 managers had was at the time of their sacking they had made us worse than we were earlier in their reign, so giving them more of their own players and time was having the complete opposite effect of what we wanted.
The problem with Amorim is there was absolutely no reason for us to bring in a manager who's system didn't suit our current squad, a system which most teams don't play, a system which most of the best teams don't play, a system which nearly all PL winning sides didn't play, a system that is more difficult to recruit for, a system that causes more continuity issues for the next manager who will likely favour a back 4 as most managers do. And then, he followed that up by getting relegation level performances out of us for 7 months straight.
Not only was it flawed on paper hiring him in the first place, we've also seen 7 months of evidence he doesn't know how to win games in this league.
This exercise where will sell 10 players for X million and buy 8 for Y million to create a title winning squad for net pittance are always fun, but it is a scary thought given how poor our scouting and recruitment has been over the last so many years.
It needs to happen, though. We need a proper rebuild and let most of these players go. It would be a good start if we can raise ~150m to add to our widely mentioned ~100m transfer budget. With no European football we don't need a very big squad for next season and 5-6 quality additions can go a long way in restoring some of our pride back.
Maybe Scotty McHotty winning a title elsewhere will push Shaw, Maguire, Casemiro etc to look for moves elsewhere in hope of winning more trophies in the twilight of their careers.
Along with the four loanees - Rashford, Antony, Sancho & Malacia - it would be great if we can get rid of Shaw, Maguire, Casemiro, Onana, Hojlund and Bruno.
It needs to happen, though. We need a proper rebuild and let most of these players go. It would be a good start if we can raise ~150m to add to our widely mentioned ~100m transfer budget. With no European football we don't need a very big squad for next season and 5-6 quality additions can go a long way in restoring some of our pride back.
Maybe Scotty McHotty winning a title elsewhere will push Shaw, Maguire, Casemiro etc to look for moves elsewhere in hope of winning more trophies in the twilight of their careers.
Along with the four loanees - Rashford, Antony, Sancho & Malacia - it would be great if we can get rid of Shaw, Maguire, Casemiro, Onana, Hojlund and Bruno.
I know our squad has changed a lot over the last 5 years, but we hear this about every manager. Our squad supposedly complained about all of them since Sir Alex retired.
Purging the squad is fine, but we need to be careful. The players we sign should also be useable in a 4-3-3/4-2-3-1 system. I can almost certainly see Amorim getting sacked by November and we'll end up bringing in another manager that will want to change the system back.
Bringing in #10's and selling wingers is my primary concern. Potentially selling Mainoo as well. He will/should be perfect in a 4-3-3. If we sell him and sack Amorim months later, we're going to massively regret it.
The internal culture and discipline within the squad is absolutely disgusting giving these reports. And has been for years.
Where's the leaders and best players taking charge and stopping this ever-returning mourning over this and that when things go rough?
At this point, I'd rather be a mid table team, but with a squad who works for each other and sets the club and their teammates above their own ego and PR-campaigns. I guess that's just were football is these days..
Where's the leaders and best players taking charge and stopping this ever-returning mourning over this and that when things go rough?
At this point, I'd rather be a mid table team, but with a squad who works for each other and sets the club and their teammates above their own ego and PR-campaigns. I guess that's just were football is these days..
I’m at the point where I wouldn’t lose any sleep over any of the players going.
Last time around I was ‘Not Garnacho, not Mainoo, not Amad, not Bruno’
Now, I genuinely couldn’t care less. What matters is what happens next season. All of these players have failed. If they go, they go.
Last time around I was ‘Not Garnacho, not Mainoo, not Amad, not Bruno’
Now, I genuinely couldn’t care less. What matters is what happens next season. All of these players have failed. If they go, they go.