Apart from one trump post I must have missed what you’re on about.
F1 2021 Season
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
That would be great. On both counts.
As long as Max is not winning I don't mind.
Would love to see Lando in a competitive car.
I'm yet to see one ex driver say Max hasn't gone over the limit.
Does his dad count?
I'm yet to see his dad speak on the matter soooo until I do
Most media have stated that max has crossed the line on a number of occasions this season so not sure that's true really.
Obviously, they have, cause he did - and he got various penalties for that as well. But he has been depicted way beyond that in the thread I feel.
Anyway, if everyone's happy with the thread, then carry on; I'm not contributing much anyway and can easily ignore most of it.
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So he is an insane evil villain
I get what you’re saying but this is a fan forum thread. You’re going to get much more direct and emotional posts. You’ll never see a proper media outlet with such direct criticism, but that doesn’t necessarily mean they don’t think it too. Not saying they do, they might not, but if you’re basing it on what you see written I think it’s a flawed approach. If you go back to this thread during the Silverstone incident you’ll see similarly heated posts about Hamilton.
Yeah it's been a shame how much McLaren have just dropped off the second half of the season. Their fight with Ferrari was a good sideshow in the first half.That would be great. On both counts.
As long as Max is not winning I don't mind.
Would love to see Lando in a competitive car.
Would like to see any or all of those four drivers for either team in a title fight.
Ricciardo hasn't been able to step up this season, has he? Last year the story was that he was still getting used to the car, but surely he should be past that now? But Norris hasn't been up there much recently either. Are they having issues? Or just stopped developing this year's car while focusing on next season?
I think everybody except red bull and merc did that a while ago
Am i right in saying the lower you finish in the constructors the more wind tunnel time you get, I know more money is great for finishing higher, but the extra bit of time in the tunnel could be a major difference for them next season
That's what I thought - but that doesn't explain why McLaren are dropping off, or why Ricciardo's performances aren't improving. If indeed that's both true.
There's also a lot of money involved in getting a good position in the constructors standings, isn't there?
Last year? He's only been at mclaren a season. He's doing OK, the car is apparently very weird to drive. He doe sof course have a race win and that was on merit as it was by no means guaranteed that max and Lewis would catch him. They just seem to have lost their way a bit towards the en dof the season. Lando hasn't been the same since the win that never was.
I see you're right! It feels like he's been there much longer already - it must have been a long year for me!
I'll shut up now. Would be great to have multiple teams competing for the title next year. The big rule change mean it must surely be likely that an unexpected team win! Or at least increase the chances.
If its Red Bull vs Mercedees again next year I'll be disappointed. Would love a curve ball like Haas with a rapid car.
Merc engine has more power when new but the power falls off more than other engines when the unit is old... not sure how many power units mclaren have used?That's what I thought - but that doesn't explain why McLaren are dropping off, or why Ricciardo's performances aren't improving. If indeed that's both true.
There's also a lot of money involved in getting a good position in the constructors standings, isn't there?
Edit ricciardo took his 4th engine and a penalty on 10th October
So has done Turkey, USA, Mexico, Brazil, Qatar and Saudi on that engine... so perhaps that explains a bit of it
Yeah they've stopped developing, and also the issues with the longevity of the Merc engine. Merc can obviously use as many as they like, but not sure how much McLaren have to pay for a new one. They probably have been running it in lower specs to keep it going for longer.
When on top, Ferrari is the most insufferable and arrogant constructor of all. They will make Mercedes and even Red Bull look small time.
https://www.racefans.net/2021/06/22...s-put-an-end-to-f1s-follow-my-leader-finales/
3 key changes to Yas Marina, which will reduce laptime by 12-14 seconds.
3 key changes to Yas Marina, which will reduce laptime by 12-14 seconds.
He made the switch from Renault to McLaren this year, hence his rather poor showing earlier in the season.
And every since the winter break, Danny Ric has looked so much more at home.
I think people undervalue how hard it is to adapt to a new car. Some drivers get it straight away but most don’t. It’s especially hard when you‘re joining a team whereby the other driver has been fully integrated into the team. Norris not only has 3 seasons under his belt at McLaren but he has also tested for them since 2017 and ran multiple practice sessions prior to 2019. Just for comparison, Russell and Leclerc both had extensive experience testing and practicing for Mercedes and Ferrari respectively. So it’s no surprise they looked right at home, especially Russell who only had a one off race.
That being said, Norris is no slouch, so we really need to see the best of Danny Ric next year. For a driver of his ability, expectations are that he should be leading this team for 2022, not the #2 driver.
I can see Danny Ric being replaced at the end of next season if he doesn't rediscover his form. I really like him so want him to do well but, as you said, he is expected to be the one leading the team.
Gasly won't want to drive for AT forever so that could be a realistic replacement.
The guys won a race this year, he's not suddenly gone poor overnight. New car to him this year, he'll have got to grips with the brakes (which was challenge at Renault in the early days) by next year.
Kamikadzin with a fast car is not something I have the nerves to see.
You're right. I haven't thought this through.
I assume Mick would win the title in that scenario anyway.
Mick vs Max battle of the offsprings would be nice.You're right. I haven't thought this through.
I assume Mick would win the title in that scenario anyway.
EDIT: compared to battle of the brats
I think he'll be fine. He's been much better since the mid-season break already.
Was just more an observation than anything. On the flip side if he does get back to his best and McLaren regress, he'll want to leave.
Yeah, sorry, my bad. As I also said in another post in the meantime, I didn't realize it's still his first season with McLaren, thought it already was his second. Guess it's been a long year...
100%. McLaren brought him in to be #1. They're reportedly paying him more than double what Norris is getting. Even Danny Ric ambitions are to be a world champion. 2022 is definitely make or break.
Gasly is a great shout. He's in no man's land in terms of finding a new drive. Can't see him going back to Red Bull and every other top team is locked out till 2023. His biggest hope is that a driver from a top team hits really bad form i.e. Ricciardo or Ocon maybe.
I'd love to see Danny Ric have a car that can compete next season. He's so much more likeable than Max and Lewis too.
Would be interesting. But...
I'll be happy if I don't have to watch Max and his "driving style" too much next season! I like Mick though, so far he seems hard but fair in the little we have seen of him.
Definitely a character. Not sure he will remain this way if he was in the mix to actually win a WC though.
As a Mclaren fan he's definitely been a bit of a disappointment. Some great highs like Monza and a few other good results, but then some horrible drives along with it. Way too inconsistent.
I do think he needs to hit 2022 strongly, as there's plenty of good young drivers coming up. As you say Gasly would be a great move I think, we also have Pato O'ward from Indycar that they might want to give a chance (he's doing an f1 test soon)
I don't think McLaren will be able to beat anyone to a world title with a customer engine sadly, a nice dream all the same.
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport...ton-verstappen-title-ecclestone-b1972030.html
Bernie’s hot take: Lewis is bullying poor Max.
Bernie’s hot take: Lewis is bullying poor Max.
Bullying him by being brake checked apparently.
"Max Verstappen did brake on Lewis Hamilton as Red Bull apologise ahead of Abu Dhabi"
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport...ilton-verstappen-2021-standings-b1971818.html
It must be black & white if Marko is coming out with it.
They will when Audi eventually buy them.
Anyway in regards to danny Ric, the main problem has been the car under braking, it's where he is losing time to lando. Unfortunately for danny Ric, mclaren are designing the car around what lando needs rather than danny. They take input from both, but at present lando is the better drive and the future.