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Red Bull are absolute amateurs. Take Verstappen in a lap after Hamilton and he would still be ahead and have brand new softs vs. used tires. Absolutely amateur hour, Verstappen will be fuming
Verstappen would be behind Bottas then and he would have never caught Hamilton after that. It's a lot easier to get the strategy right when it's 2 vs 1, Bottas keeping up with Verstappen for most of the race was what allowed Mercedes to put that strategy in place. RB need Perez to improve fast. There's little more they could have done today
 

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Hilarious how people on here still buy into the Merc underdog rhetoric :lol:
If Lewis didnt pit for the 2nd time, Max would win this race easy, he lead from the 1st corner in 1st lap, it Max race to lose up until that Lewis 2nd pit stop which RB could counter the next lap and they didn't.
This year RB could really take the challenge to Merc and possibly win it, their car looks faster and it evident in race aswell with Max.
Today, they got ouwit for 2nd time with same tactic after Hungary 2019. Underdog? yeah, it looks like Merc is the underdog alright in this race for trying something for the win because they couldnt catch Max the leader.
 

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Who’s saying they are? Mercedes was the quicker car today, zero doubt about that.
Been that way for weeks if you read the thread, Merc keep repeating it too even though every race and qualifying shows it's absolute bollocks. And now I read posts about how RB and Max are just now realising how good Lewis is.. as if they didn't know that already after he's won it all for years? Weird. This season is no different than the last or the one before, or the one before.. the Merc is still the quickest car. The difference between them is a bit smaller, that's all. Lewis isn't now somehow proving anything or showing anything new. But the Merc spin is he's beating Verstappen even though the RB is quicker. Yawn. I think if Merc replaced Bottas with Russell or Norris it'd be a Merc 1-2 every race. Bottas just keeps underperforming. Unfortunately for RB, so does Perez.
 
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POSNODRIVERCARLAPSTIME/RETIREDPTS
144Lewis HamiltonMERCEDES661:33:07.68025
233Max VerstappenRED BULL RACING HONDA66+15.841s19
377Valtteri BottasMERCEDES66+26.610s15
416Charles LeclercFERRARI66+54.616s12
511Sergio PerezRED BULL RACING HONDA66+63.671s10
63Daniel RicciardoMCLAREN MERCEDES66+73.768s8
755Carlos SainzFERRARI66+74.670s6
84Lando NorrisMCLAREN MERCEDES65+1 lap4
931Esteban OconALPINE RENAULT65+1 lap2
1010Pierre GaslyALPHATAURI HONDA65+1 lap1
1118Lance StrollASTON MARTIN MERCEDES65+1 lap0
127Kimi RäikkönenALFA ROMEO RACING FERRARI65+1 lap0
135Sebastian VettelASTON MARTIN MERCEDES65+1 lap0
1463George RussellWILLIAMS MERCEDES65+1 lap0
1599Antonio GiovinazziALFA ROMEO RACING FERRARI65+1 lap0
166Nicholas LatifiWILLIAMS MERCEDES65+1 lap0
1714Fernando AlonsoALPINE RENAULT65+1 lap0
1847Mick SchumacherHAAS FERRARI64+2 laps0
199Nikita MazepinHAAS FERRARI64+2 laps0
NC22Yuki TsunodaALPHATAURI HONDA6DNF0
 

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If Lewis didnt pit for the 2nd time, Max would win this race easy, he lead from the 1st corner in 1st lap, it Max race to lose up until that Lewis 2nd pit stop which RB could counter the next lap and they didn't.
This year RB could really take the challenge to Merc and possibly win it, their car looks faster and it evident in race aswell with Max.
Today, they got ouwit for 2nd time with same tactic after Hungary 2019. Underdog? yeah, it looks like Merc is the underdog alright in this race for trying something for the win because they couldnt catch Max the leader.
What race were you watching? Lewis was much faster and with fresher tires. No chance Max defends 20 over laps successfully. :houllier:

Second pit stop strategy was to force Red Bull into a standstill and gamble that Bottas could get second.
 

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Red Bull should have gambled after Lewis made that second stop, but the people going in on them for not pulling Max in are pretty damn ignorant :lol:

Mercedes could do what they did because Bottas had him covered off. If Max had pitted he ends up with Lewis a second or two behind on the same age medium tyres, which the Merc is much faster on, but also with Bottas ahead of him. It might have worked out better for Max in the end, but it's anything but guaranteed.

Perez needs to step up, Max is always going to be at a massive disadvantage if he's leading two Mercedes 15 laps into every race.
 

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For all the flak Bottas gets, he's the perfect second driver and Max would kill to have him in the Red Bull instead of the Mercedes.
 

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At some point Perez has to start getting in the mix, even if that’s battling Bottas. Perez has never been a strong qualifier but he has to start keeping in the pit stop window.

Bottas is quick over one lap and that’s what keeps him in the mix, fair to say on race day he’s not on that level of Ham/Max but by being in and around it he’s in play.
 

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Nightmare time for this race to be on as United fan. I caught the first lap and Max overtake at the start obviously. Came back and watched at half time when not a whole lot had changed, other than that Hamilton was right on Max. Then when Lewis pitted unexpectedly (to me at least) and came out putting in some serious laps times, I knew I'd need to leave this on my phone and keep one eye on it while I was watching the match.

Glad I did in the end as it was a great relentless drive from Hamilton to close him down and pass Max. Wish we would have gotten a bit more of a battle but was never likely on this track, plus Max's tyres were gone.
 

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If Lewis didnt pit for the 2nd time, Max would win this race easy, he lead from the 1st corner in 1st lap, it Max race to lose up until that Lewis 2nd pit stop which RB could counter the next lap and they didn't.
This year RB could really take the challenge to Merc and possibly win it, their car looks faster and it evident in race aswell with Max.
Today, they got ouwit for 2nd time with same tactic after Hungary 2019. Underdog? yeah, it looks like Merc is the underdog alright in this race for trying something for the win because they couldnt catch Max the leader.
Verstappen would have still been behind Hamilton, as that's how an undercut works.
 

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Does anyone know who the Indian lad doing analysis for Sky is?

He's a brilliant pundit. Very knowledgeable and speaks so well.
 

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Redbull design a car that suits Max, the 2nd driver has to adapt to the car. Perez even said he is changing his driving style to copy how max drives. That tells you that car is built for Max. That strategy advantages max but disadvantages the 2nd redbull driver. Merc on the other hand build the fastest car they can. That is why Russell got in it and drive well. Redbull puts all their eggs into the max wagon, but that costs them races.
 

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Does anyone know who the Indian lad doing analysis for Sky is?

He's a brilliant pundit. Very knowledgeable and speaks so well.
Its Karin Chaundok I think. Former driver for Jordan/Force India I think. Memory of the F1 midfield from previous years is a bit hazy.
 

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Well that was a slow burner wasnt it. Though Lewis would have overtaken max the lap max he came in for for his stop. Good strategy by Mercs though i thought it would be too much of an ask to pull off.

Bottas is a prat. If he wants to keep his drive for next season he needs to do as hes told and get the feck out of Lewis's way.

Perez needs to switch over to his own setup and stop using verstappen's car setup as its not doing him any favours.
 

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You say that but Red Bull / Verstappen would most likely be winning the championship this year if not for Hamilton.
It isnt as simple as people think. Getting the tyred into the right operating window is key. Some tracks will suit the Mercs better than the Mercedes. RB on long runs seem to be better on Softs than Merc. But Merc seem to be better on Med than RB on long runs.

It wouldnt suprise me if Verstappen won Monaco. I think RB have an advantage on the softs and that will give them pole and possibly the race win next weekend.

Its gonna be nip and tuck for a good while yet. The closer this battle is the more it will cost both teams in terms of next years car development. Ferrari have already said 95% of their resources are committed to the 2022 car.
 

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Well that was a slow burner wasnt it. Though Lewis would have overtaken max the lap max he came in for for his stop. Good strategy by Mercs though i thought it would be too much of an ask to pull off.

Bottas is a prat. If he wants to keep his drive for next season he needs to do as hes told and get the feck out of Lewis's way.

Perez needs to switch over to his own setup and stop using verstappen's car setup as its not doing him any favours.
He's been Merc's perfect little lap dog for over 4 years now, I think he's earned the right to show how fed up he is about it even though he's known even before he signed for them that this would be his role.
 

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You say that but Red Bull / Verstappen would most likely be winning the championship this year if not for Hamilton.
Could be, if hypothetically Mercedes truly fecked up their choice of drivers. But that's like saying Red Bull wouldn't be on the podium without Verstappen. Which is probably true too. But it all depends on who you'd put in their place doesn't it? Fact is, Mercedes still have the best car so if the drivers are equal they win.
 

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A few posters are being pretty harsh on Red Bull’s strategists. It caught out the commentators, Red Bull and I didn’t see any posters calling for it beforehand (although I was watching the United game too).
 

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Bottas is a prat. If he wants to keep his drive for next season he needs to do as hes told and get the feck out of Lewis's way.
Rumour from a credible podcast is that he's been told already that he's not getting his contract renewed for next season.
 

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Also what is it about the second Red Bull driver falling to pieces/seriously underperforming as soon as they become the second Red Bull driver? Perez seems to be really struggling more than I thought he would so far.
 

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Rumour from a credible podcast is that he's been told already that he's not getting his contract renewed for next season.
Hes not stupid, he surely knows unless he has a season like Rosberg in 2016 he must realise that theres very little chance he would be kept. Going against team orders and making things difficult probably not such a good idea though.
 

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Bottas already knows this is very likely his last year at Mercedes, so why be a team player?

He'd have rather Max beat Lewis today for his own championship ambitions. He's not going to be obey team orders this season and, if they're cutting him next year anyway, why should he?
 

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He's been Merc's perfect little lap dog for over 4 years now, I think he's earned the right to show how fed up he is about it even though he's known even before he signed for them that this would be his role.
His timing of doing that couldn't have been worse though. He's had numerous opportunities over the years on similar tyres and similar strategies, but he decides to defend his position when Hamilton is 1.5 seconds a lap faster than him and is on tyres that give him no opportunity to defend. Result is Bottas loses position on the 3rd corner :lol:
 

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Rumour from a credible podcast is that he's been told already that he's not getting his contract renewed for next season.
I think today was a perfect proof that he definitely isn't staying.

He'd rather cost Hamilton the chance of winning, I hope when it's Bottas' turn he does exactly the same, watch him cry on the radio.
 

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I think today was a perfect proof that he definitely isn't staying.

He'd rather cost Hamilton the chance of winning, I hope when it's Bottas' turn he does exactly the same, watch him cry on the radio.
It wasn't so bad today, if he did that at monaco, it would surely screw up the race. Anyway lewis probably wants to keep bottas in the team rather than have the challenge of George Russell to contend with. Though give russell a season or so and i think he would be more rosberg than bottas.
 

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It wasn't so bad today, if he did that at monaco, it would surely screw up the race. Anyway lewis probably wants to keep bottas in the team rather than have the challenge of George Russell to contend with. Though give russell a season or so and i think he would be more rosberg than bottas.
Mainly because Hamilton's tyres were so new he had no chance to defend, but that 2 or 3 seconds extra he lost while trying to chase Verstappen down could have cost him.

He's an absolute baby, I have no idea why he even thinks he's got a chance at the title, just look how far behind he is every race. It'll be Hamilton and Russell next year.
 

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It wasn't so bad today, if he did that at monaco, it would surely screw up the race. Anyway lewis probably wants to keep bottas in the team rather than have the challenge of George Russell to contend with. Though give russell a season or so and i think he would be more rosberg than bottas.
But Hamilton just loves a challenge and Russell would give him exactly that.
 

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Mainly because Hamilton's tyres were so new he had no chance to defend, but that 2 or 3 seconds extra he lost while trying to chase Verstappen down could have cost him.

He's an absolute baby, I have no idea why he even thinks he's got a chance at the title, just look how far behind he is every race. It'll be Hamilton and Russell next year.
Now that would be fantastic.
 

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Mainly because Hamilton's tyres were so new he had no chance to defend, but that 2 or 3 seconds extra he lost while trying to chase Verstappen down could have cost him.

He's an absolute baby, I have no idea why he even thinks he's got a chance at the title, just look how far behind he is every race. It'll be Hamilton and Russell next year.
To be fair , in the last 2 races, Max has pitted to get the fastest lap, today he got the extra point, last week track limits got him.
The last 2 races, Lewis's experience and strategy has beaten Max, I bet Lewis had a say in the second pit, a radio message that we did not hear. Red Bull strategists are a bit like Ole and his subs, sometime they dont have a clue.
 

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Lewis certainly looking the better driver and with better package. But 14 point gap can change in one race, or with one new car development.

Will be tight.
 

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Lewis certainly looking the better driver and with better package. But 14 point gap can change in one race, or with one new car development.

Will be tight.
I agree and seemingly Bottas isn’t going to play the team game. Bottas has far more capability to be taking points away from Hamilton than Perez does from Max and that could be key.

The top 3 is going to be fairly consistent and that means nobody will streak ahead on points, it may come down to reliability.
 

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The last 2 races, Lewis's experience and strategy has beaten Max, I bet Lewis had a say in the second pit, a radio message that we did not hear.
All Mercedes to be fair, their Q2 run indicated that they were looking for an extra set of mediums for the race. This wasn't an off the cuff call today, and one stopping at Barcelona is a very difficult strategy to work.
 

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The risk Bottas runs is losing the seat mid-season. Bottas' main job is to spoil.Max's weekends, whether that's out qualifying him, beating him in the race or taking away strategic options. He does those 3 things adequetly, but what he did today was beyond the pale team wise.
 

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The risk Bottas runs is losing the seat mid-season. Bottas' main job is to spoil.Max's weekends, whether that's out qualifying him, beating him in the race or taking away strategic options. He does those 3 things adequately, but what he did today was beyond the pale team wise.
I dont think he will lose his seat this season, it is a given , he wont be at Mercedes next season and Russell will take his seat.
His actions today were understandable, frustration and not really wanting to let Lewis past, but Lewis was 1-1.5 second a lap faster, making Lewis actually perform a real overtake was just Bottas throwing his toys out, it did not affect Lewis in the end.
Bottas is a good driver and I think would walk in to any of the top teams, if he had not been racing at the same time as Lewis, he would've had a couple of WC by now.
Toto will have a word, dont think we will see it happen again.