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Idiotic post. He should know better.
Man, why people keep making these mistakes?!
Man, why people keep making these mistakes?!
The rules that made Manchester United demand Cavani take down his post using then word, making him apologise, and giving the FA grounds to section him?
What is the definition?
Sure, like the pig mounter.
You probably missed it but someone earlier made a story of having to explain he hadn't said the n-word but Schwarzenegger (never pronounced negger that way myself), then someone pointed out he got it the wrong way around (which I had never gathered despite being one of few words I know the meaning for).
The middle e screws it up a bit, but once seen it can't be unseen. Cheeky Arnie.
Which rules? Can you please post those rules?
He had to apologize for a crime he didn’t do cause social justice warriors might feel offended, not because of some law.
The word negrito? I’ve heard of it less than a day, from what I’ve read from posters in this thread who are familiar with that language it can be used as an endearing term such as matey, the ito and ita can be added onto all kinds of words as a form of endearment, I seen a girls name as an example. Here it’s been added to the word black.
now people in Britain are trying to literally translate that into an English word that you can’t really do because it sounds like another word that shouldn’t be used here.
I may be wrong and we’ll off the mark but I mainly keep my opinions to myself instead of running around trying them out on people
mancherter united problem, cavani problem, FA problem
i don't need your permision, manchester united permision, UK permision to use the word "negrito" in a non racist manner
deal with that
Because they're Spanish speakers?
Let's meet up next time you're in London, I'll take you to Croydon, Peckham or Hackney to meet some of my mates and I'll watch you call them negrito. Ill make sure a policeman is also nearby to ajudicate. Let's see what happens shall we?
Do let me know when you're coming.
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I was using Cavani in this instance because obviously the thread is about what he wrote, but it could/should somehow apply in both directions and to everyone. The nature of the debate is complex and confusing and will be littered with contradictions. You would want some sort of 'decent' inclusivity to be one of the main guiding lights, but as a concept that's obviously quite windy and could easily be turned against itself.
I agree and ultimately feel 'punishing' him would be harsh. He took the post down so he's obviously been made aware how it can be interpreted.The word was used because in Spanish it means Black. Having derived from the word 'Niger', the Latin for 'Black' e.g. the Roman Emperor Gaius Pescennius Niger Justus -- A name I've always loved because via liberal translation the last two parts can be made to read 'Black Justice' or 'Black Righteousness', which basically sounds like a character from a 1970s Blaxploitation movie.
Just because some sodding, Northern European slaver decided to employ a loan word and it caught on, it doesn't mean we have the right to police how Spanish is spoken. It sounds bad in English because of how English speakers decided to use it. It does not have the same weight in Spanish. That's not to say Spanish is without racially charged words or that Iberia or Iberian America are bastions of tolerance. They got problems, just like everywhere else. The key thing however is that what Cavani said is not an example of those problems
As I've previously said private institutions like the FA have their own guidelines so rightly or wrongly they will do what do. Some people - ignorantly or otherwise - will be offended or emotionally affected by it and with teams still taking the knee before every game I don't think the FA wants to have to deal with the 'controversy'.
The root word of Negrito is Negro tbf. But I did concede that the phrase in its' own cultural framework has a different meaning to the literal translation that is "little black person".
I'm actually surprised this thread has hit this many pages since yesterday. I haven't read much but how much discussion was there to be had!
I had a friend from Mexico everyone called ***** (don’t want an FA infraction, but it refers to the color white) because she’d been dyeing her hair platinum blonde since she was young. People on the fringes of our social circle might have barely even known her real name because she liked the nickname and it was used so commonly.
I thought that when I read this.
Aaah the Manchester United precedent, I look forward to the act of parliament!
Ok I'm just trying to figure out what it really means as everyone seems to say it has different meanings , and it's interesting you made no mention of it being connected to black.
Edit: I just seen it was added to the word 'black', obviously calling people by the colour of their skin isn't appropriate in the UK, but that's obviously different in Uruguay. I think both sides have an argument to make.
I did miss that. Point is the e and the n are actually part of the adjective Schwarzen. Trying to help you unsee it, I guess
What if i played for Madrid and replied cheers buddy to a friends congrats post and got sanctioned and banned because it sounded like a spanish curse word
We would all be saying how ridiculous this is
We would all be saying how ridiculous this is
Force of habit I guess.
You can say Ivory dude.
That's about the size of it.
Shut out to Croydon! We got whooped by Croydon Athletic once, with their mauve kits
Don't get me started on Black Sabbath...racist devil worshipers
the thing you don't understand is that i wouldn't call "Negrito" to someone that will feel offended by it
as we, latin americans, tried to explain on this thread, is that we don't use it in an offensive manner and we wouldn't use it to a person that would be offended by it
BUT the idea that you, your goverment or the feck, has a say on how i call my friends, and has a right to teach the latin americans how to speak is stupid, xenophobist and dangerous
btw, if i go to england i will tell you, i will meet with you and i will call my brother "Negrito" because that's his nickname in front of anyone
Its an interesting topic with good points on both sides of the debate. Also people are shitting themselves at the prospect of an 8 game ban!
Been done about a million times...makes no difference if your mind's made up
Mate, don't try arguing with moral busybodies like him, it's not going to work.
a mistake is to think that a contract can compel someone to stop talking in a perfect decent way
I see where you are coming from and I think it's fair to say Cavani shouldn't have used the term on a public platform accessible to millions because of your reasoning. He has acknowledged and apologised so that should be the end of it.
Ah. So not quite the billy big bollox after all. Thought so.
Inside the UK, you have to abide by its customs. Sorry, you dont get to decide.
You can’t give him the ‘oh try and call my mates negrito and see what happens’ when you literally heard of it yesterday
you’re awful passionate about a word you only heard of yesterday.The breakdown would be, more likely, Schwarzenegg / er
...meaning a person from Schwarzenegg.
Schwarz = black
Egg = potentially different meanings, but most likely "ridge" (it also means "edge", as in a knife's edge).
Schwarzenegger = a person from the black ridge (i.e. a person from a place - a farm, homestead - on or perhaps more likely under/below the black ridge).
You're making an ass of yourself. Cavani didn't go up to some random BAME bloke and call him negrito, did he? No, he used it in an affectionate, harmless and completely appropriate manner to a fellow South American.
It's perfectly possible to see and acknowledge that the word can have some unfortunate connotations to people not familiar with it, and that it could come off as offensive, while also acknowledging that punishing a South American person for using a completely innocuous word in an affectionate manner towards a fellow South American is completely ludicrous.
You can't just go around punishing people because normal and inoffensive words in their language might look or sound offensive to a non-speaker.
For someone who is worried about people being offended you aren’t half being offensive?
But I did, I said the Ito is added to the word black.
I’m no expert on this, have no intention of ever using the word and think it’s all blown out of proportion, as usual these days
Because the word means different things in different parts of the world. The literal meaning is said to be "Little black people" in Spanish. There were black people in the non-African parts of the world who were shorter and this word originated in that context
As the word spread among multiple countries, some countries (like Uruguay) started using it as a word to mean pal/buddy or in some cases "dear"
The word as such does not have any context in England, except that the other N word in English is generally looked upon as a racist slur. Hence the debate.
Wasting your time mate. There’s many in this this thread who are just way too virtuous for us mere primitive fools.
Imagine thinking you could speak freely in the UK... Silly boy Edinson!
There Isn’t an English translation, but because the word “negrito” is used people immediately lose their shit. He basically said “thanks mate”
If everything is racist, nothing is. Overuse creates indifference. People roll their eyes when they hear “racist” now, which takes away from actual racism, which is still very real & truly appalling.
Context is everything, but that goes both ways.
On the one hand, apparently it's an acceptable term of endearment in Uruguay* and he pretty clearly used it in that context. He wasn't using it to intentionally abuse or belittle a black person. He's not Suarez, who used unambiguously racial language to abuse a black man. On the other hand, he's not in Uruguay now. He lives and works in the UK, represents an English club (and by extension, English football) and with that comes an expectatation to respect British cultural norms, one of which is "it's not acceptable to use racial epithets". I don't think that, as a very well-travelled guy who has lived in 3 different European countries and who likely followed the Suarez incident more closely than most, he can reasonably claim to be ignorant of the connotations of the word he used and the potential for offence/harm.
Which is all to say, he only has himself to blame if he gets a ban. Clearly what he's done is not at all comparable to what Suarez did, so it would chafe it he received anywhere near the same punishment, but Suarez got off ludicrously lightly all things considered. I wouldn't be surprised or feel aggrieved if he got 2-3 games.
* I would be interested to hear how Black Uruguayans/Black Latin Americans generally feel about that, however, because aside from the people in here defending Cavani, and those who came out to defend Suarez back in the day (when they were lying about what he said), I've seen no evidence that the term has been shorn of its racial connotations or meaning.
On the one hand, apparently it's an acceptable term of endearment in Uruguay* and he pretty clearly used it in that context. He wasn't using it to intentionally abuse or belittle a black person. He's not Suarez, who used unambiguously racial language to abuse a black man. On the other hand, he's not in Uruguay now. He lives and works in the UK, represents an English club (and by extension, English football) and with that comes an expectatation to respect British cultural norms, one of which is "it's not acceptable to use racial epithets". I don't think that, as a very well-travelled guy who has lived in 3 different European countries and who likely followed the Suarez incident more closely than most, he can reasonably claim to be ignorant of the connotations of the word he used and the potential for offence/harm.
Which is all to say, he only has himself to blame if he gets a ban. Clearly what he's done is not at all comparable to what Suarez did, so it would chafe it he received anywhere near the same punishment, but Suarez got off ludicrously lightly all things considered. I wouldn't be surprised or feel aggrieved if he got 2-3 games.
* I would be interested to hear how Black Uruguayans/Black Latin Americans generally feel about that, however, because aside from the people in here defending Cavani, and those who came out to defend Suarez back in the day (when they were lying about what he said), I've seen no evidence that the term has been shorn of its racial connotations or meaning.
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Are you implying the people living in Croydon, Peckham or Hackney are prone to violence or abuse that warrants having police interference from words of a stranger? Or are you saying that it would warrant an arrest if he said it to your friends? And why would a police officer ajudicate? Not their job at all.
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