James Rodriguez also needs to be investigated for calling Juan Cuadrado "negrito" two years ago: https://gol.caracoltv.com/tercer-ti...a-juan-guillermo-cuadrado-esta-negrito-panita
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feck yes. Enjoy him before Sammy and his princesses cancel him.Good tunes indeed
My girl always asks how I find so many different musical sounds. I am going to be so proud to tell her my racisms got me this new artist.
Plastic hamburgers is awesome.
So just reading the comments on Cavani Facebook post, mostly from he’s native country, it’s a way they greet each other to show affection. Cultures have a different way to express there feelings and if calling a friend “blacky” is there way then who are we to judge?
“You alright Mush” I know someone from another part of the world got offended being called Mush. Why, who knows but now I know I won’t be using it around him.....
It must be common in Colombia because one of Pablo Escobars sicarios was known as "blackie."
The problem is that there are too many people on here that are always desperate to cry about how overly sensitive people are these days and all that sort of thing, so simply stating a totally reasonable post like yours (and IMO the most sensible way to talk about this situation) immediately gets jumped on, and any reasonable level headed discussion is impossible.
Btw @sammsky1 , can I continue calling my Catalan boss (and good friend) ‘chica’ or I should stop doing so cause it is close to English word ‘chick’ which can be degoratory or even misogynistic?
Do I need some education about it?
Do I need some education about it?
Given his age and experience he really should know better. If he want's to communicate with a good friend, drop him a quick call or email but given the profile of the Suarez situation (having shared the same national team) then he must have known saying Negreto is off limits regardless of the context. Why would a high profile player communicate with a good friend publicly on Insta ?
Absolutely spot on over there by Gary and agree with every word he says. People really need to read the words No Room for Racism and put that into their heads. There's no place for context or intentions when it comes to abolishing any terms with any potential racist connotations whatsoever. We are deep into cancel culture. Any guy with a few thousand Twitter followers understands the consequences of posting something remotely controversial in a public sphere let alone a footballer with a worldwide following who now also plays for one of the most popular clubs in the world. Footballers are not beyond that code of conduct and if a player cannot understand such basic norms and how to abide by them without fail then I'm all for punishing them as severely as possible till they start taking the reach social media gives them seriously.Yeah, it’s the FA, Manchester United football club, Gary Neville and many other authorities that stand for anti racism are the ones having the meltdown.
Certainly not those trying to justify language that was created during white supremacy era.
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what’s scary is people are really being misled and manipulated by social media. Cavani has done nothing wrong, at all, and people are being fed a crap line about supposed racism off the back of the BLM campaign
Cavani posted a pic with him. He’s white.
I looked on RAWK this afternoon and was surprised to discover there was no thread on Cavani.
I haven't looked since then mind.
Judging by this latest controversy, it is no surprise Alvaro Negredo had such a tormented time in England.
Can imagine the FA launching an inquiry because of the big Negredo on the back of his shirt.
Can imagine the FA launching an inquiry because of the big Negredo on the back of his shirt.
Talk how you want with your friends and in your personal life.
If you ever find yourself in a job that is subject to the FA rules in England and you become a public figure in England then obviously be professional on work related platforms and adhere to the expected standards here.
Easy.
Yeah I’m all in. Looks like it’ll be a deep dive. Plenty of albums on Spotify. Just clocked that he was sampled on a DJ Shadow track. Knew there was at least a familiar element in there.
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In fairness if the words don;t mean anything offensive how can there be consequences?
With that in mind we are all jumping the gun here. The FA are going to investigate the comments. If (and yeah it's probably a very big if) they are sensible, they'll engage someone with an intrinsic understanding of the language who will tell them that it's a well meaning comment that is consistently made to a dear friend. If they sit in a board room and type it into Google translate, then we might have a problem.
The funny thing is that I've been seriously offended by Gary Neville on so many occasions, and yet here he is.. still not cancelled by Sky Sports.
Why is that?
Why is that?
Suarez..... didn't ..... say..... negrita ......
I’d love him to come out fully British.
“Lads Lads Lads. Sorry about the Negrito, but did any of you Cnuts see that second header”
Aren't you getting fed up of reminding people of this?
Especially since everything and I mean literally anything can be offensive to anyone.This is exactly what I fear they will do. it is FA, man, come on
Cavani’s response and explanation is perfectly fine. I truly believe he responded without knowing the Ik context at that moment. However he will face some sanctions as FA has its pre set regulations.
Responses by some in this thread however leaves a lot to be desired vs 2020 UK cultural norms. Some seem to believe the things they learned growing up are somehow acceptable. Up to them if they want to change in personal lives or when posting anonymously on a forum.
But as Cavani found out, it won’t be tolerated whatsoever in any professional or regulated environment. Denigrate it as political correctness if you like but that tide and turned and times are thankfully changing.
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You literally spat on a child Jamie..Yeah, it’s the FA, Manchester United football club, Gary Neville and many other authorities that stand for anti racism are the ones having the meltdown.
Certainly not those trying to justify language that was created during white supremacy era.
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He provides the bosses a service that many would consider themselves above. He's very effective with his mouth by all accounts.
Dunno . Start a thread and see if anyone gives a shit?
Is it not important to note the difference between the two situations?
Otherwise some people may think they're similar and the consequences should be.
But if there's a limit on how many times I'm allowed to say it (or post), give me a shout.
I agree with the worry over the ban, but you can’t seriously think there’s any case to answer here for Cavani?
Yes I know he didn't.
My point is that Cavani really should know better. Ok let's put it another way, if you think a word could be taken out of context, don't use it publicly as that completely avoids it being taken out of context.
If some random comments on his instagram all he needs to say is words to that effect 'cheers mate' and there is no issue. No potential for a ban, nobody taking it out of context, no 45 page thread on a forum, nothing.
Not for one minute do I believe it was racist directly, implied or whatever. No doubt it was meant with the very best intentions. I am not an expert on south american culture or dialect but you have to be pretty naive to think using that word isn't leaving you open to some form of interpretation.
Ok, i think we can agree on a couple of things
1. That phrase is common/acceptable in South America
2. Its not acceptable in the UK
3. Cavani is from South America
4. But he works in the UK now and represents an English club
Its an honest mistake born out of lack of knowledge, but its also tone deaf and a bit daft from Cavani.
To put it this way, when you travel to a different country you should read up a bit on customs and norms. What is customary in one part of the world might be totally unacceptable in another and a lack of knowledge does not mean people wont get offended. For example the "V" sign wont bother most people, but someone from bosnia is going to be pissed (or so i've heard)
1. That phrase is common/acceptable in South America
2. Its not acceptable in the UK
3. Cavani is from South America
4. But he works in the UK now and represents an English club
Its an honest mistake born out of lack of knowledge, but its also tone deaf and a bit daft from Cavani.
To put it this way, when you travel to a different country you should read up a bit on customs and norms. What is customary in one part of the world might be totally unacceptable in another and a lack of knowledge does not mean people wont get offended. For example the "V" sign wont bother most people, but someone from bosnia is going to be pissed (or so i've heard)
I fear this honest error by Cavani (I believe him) is going to cost him a ban.
Agree with Gary Neville, maybe training of this nature should be done to educate players, and also to avoid situations like this.
FFS we need Cavani man!
Agree with Gary Neville, maybe training of this nature should be done to educate players, and also to avoid situations like this.
FFS we need Cavani man!
Look at him smiling after he just racially humiliated a person next to him, that wouldn't fly in Croydon.
Yeah the literal translations are not necessarily helpful for this discussion. For example,
Dar papaya = to make yourself prone to being taken advantage of. The literal translation is to give papaya, but the meaning has nothing to do with fruit.
Pilas pues = pay attention/be alert. Literal meaning is "batteries then", which obviously makes no sense.
Language is all about context, and reductionist arguments aren't helpful in my opinion.
The left are the ones who demand the hate speech laws and that context shouldn't matter when it comes to language, and try to not only police it but try to change it. Why do you think we now use terms for jobs originally denoting a male member of staff as neutral terms, and stop using the female? Why are we now told to use terms like BAME or person of colour? That comes from the far left. Sammsky is displaying all the tell tale signs.
Know better that a bunch of keyboard warriors are gonna label him a racist? Feck that.
Biden is an enabler and engages in their tactics but whatever. You know damn well it's what they say and do.
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