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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
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Well perhaps try and understand.
You might have just won with the worst arguement and false equivelance in this thread.
Good statement from the club. It's unfortunate that a word in a different language that has no English meaning can be misconstrued but hey ho...
Very glad that Cavani admits he can’t use this word in a U.K. context and can now understand why it would be misinterpreted.
The FA will also have its opinion, determined by its own pre set regulations. I really hope the club accepts whatever the outcome is and move on, hopefully with everyone else better educated. I certainly won’t support ‘save cavani’ tee shirt campaign!
I will support a "save from setpieces" campaign, though.
The word "Niger" comes from the river by that name (same river that gives Nigeria its name) - and may have nothing to do with the Latin niger (meaning black, as in the colour). It may derive from the Tuareg term Egerew n-Igerewen (meaning "greatest river" or "rIver of rivers").
You can exactly say this, that's the whole issue with trying to translate everything directly into English and thinking we then understand the word/make the rules about what a word means.
Cavani's statement is perfect as well - apologises and admits his ignorance about the situation. If the FA feel they need to ban him to be seen as doing something, that's fine although I think it's harsh but they are setting a precedent here that any word whose translation into English could be construed as being racist is effectively censored, regardless of context. For me that doesn't help in the fight against racism and is actually quite a dangerous precedent.
Yes indeed, that should be the end of it. Very well written statement that captures it well. Unfortunately it will not be enough since the press has smelled blood in the water and the Twittersphere demands its sacrifice.
Uh oh. Youre in now. I regret being here.
As I have said before it's the language and the intent. Now it's being said that the guy is caucasian too.
I know that the Europeans and Americans think they own the world but the reality is not. Different languages have different meanings and you simply can't translate word for word.
The context has to taken into account.
I know that the Europeans and Americans think they own the world but the reality is not. Different languages have different meanings and you simply can't translate word for word.
The context has to taken into account.
No but I’ve read you constantly misconstrue arguments, especially from posters who have spoken about how they as a POC perceive everyday racial based language.
Cavani has handled it well, he took it down immediately upon being informed it can be misconstrued in a UK sense and reaffirmed his commitment to fighting racism and that no harm was intended. Good statement and hopefully no ban.
Doesn't really matter does it?
On the last part fully agree
I don't think so. If the guy receiving guy is okay with it, why should anyone else outside of the banter get offended on his behalf? Does his opinion on the matter not count?
I haven't misconstrued anything buddy.
And should be case closed now.
Definitely a case for him being Black Listed, as he is the Black Sheep of the family or else United will be subject to Blackmail from some organisations such as the FA.
Note all these terms are currently subject to review for banning by at least one UK University. In fact they all are terms from use in past centuries which have absolutely no racial connotations at all.
Perspective seems to gone from the world.
Note all these terms are currently subject to review for banning by at least one UK University. In fact they all are terms from use in past centuries which have absolutely no racial connotations at all.
Perspective seems to gone from the world.
Unlucky he paid no heed to countless shitstorms after people, including one of his good mates, used potentially racially offensive language. God knows if United social media guidance or not -you'd assume they would- but blaming it on 'bad luck' is a lame get out, regardless of cultural differences.
Seems like an incorrect comparison.
Equivalent of what Suarez did will be for Cavani to shout to Rashford something like "Pass the ball to me Negrito"
That would have been well malicious.
Wishful thinking
What is the difference between negrito and negro in Uraquay’s version of Spanish?
He should know better or get better advisors, I also refuse to believe someone so close to Suarez wouldn't have known about the previous incident.
Anyway, he's done the right thing and apologised.
You’re full of stupid questions, I quite like reading them
Am I right in saying that Suarez didn’t even say “negrito”? So what’s with the equivalence?
He tried but then acquiesced and admitted he used the term negro.
How many times will you be referenced the verdict in the Suarez vs Evra case before you manage to comprehend the differences?
And that should be it.
Cavani Apologized. Club issues a good statement. Perfect case of Cavani being ignorant. Let's hope it's just a one match ban rather than 3. Either way FA will punish this to make an example.
Pretty sure this can't be compared to Suarez-Evra incident.
Pretty sure this can't be compared to Suarez-Evra incident.
The whole basis of his defence was that he meant it in a friendly way.
Yeah every Asian knows this is bullshit, 9/10 it is meant/said in a derogatory manner.
I think it's more wanting to put the issue to bed rather than arguing how it is not an issue (which it isn't!).
The club took the safe road here but can understand why.
I'm guessing 'being in the black' in reference to accounting won't be taken away as it has a positive meaning.
He signed a contract for Manchester United which stipulates certain things about conduct on social media.I'd recommend people just use Neige (which is the chinese word for "that"
Actually some chinese language professor in the US was cancelled because he was explaining this particular word
The english word is not acceptable due to the racial context.
But the spanish word (and I guess bunch of words derived from Latin) are just fine.
And even if cavani lives in england and plays in england he should have the right to use a spanish word to communicate with fellow latin people how he wants (on an international social platform). If he used the english n word during an interview it would be a different thing obviously.
The FA have clear rules that goven players' behaviour on social media.
Cavani didn't mean anything by it. But you have to adhere to the laws and customs of the country you're in.
Cavani himself removed the post when it was explained to him how the word will be perceived in the UK. It's irrelevant if this is fine in South America.
You didn’t know the word existed yesterday and now you want it banned from the uk. Speak Spanish? Tough shit, find a new word for your language.
considering how dull you come across I love how opinionated you are
If common sense was used things would be moved on but who expects that to happen?
Wouldn't surprise me if it was in this climate!
Does anybody here actually believe that policing foreign languages helps fight racism in any way? Serious question.
Could be perceived.
Could you please refer to the rules, since you are claiming context doesn't matter.
In an ideal world yes but it won’t and it’s annoying because now we’re going to have to go through this shit storm.
We’re gonna have the ABU’s and Liverpool fans falling over themselves to make out this is the same as Suarez.
We’re going to get a load of footballers coming out demanding long term bans for Cavani. Which inevitably will lead to racist abuse on Twitter against the footballers saying this.
The FA dragging their heels and taking about six weeks to come to what is actually a very simple decision.
Endless discussions about what’s racist and what’s not, in house fighting on here etc. Strap in I guess....
I just can’t fathom how naive Cavani has been here.
Any word that derives from the word negro should not be allowed in U.K. I’m very happy with that opinion. Cavani agrees too.
if you find being an anti racist dull, again that is reflective of you and not me. Seems like you have to find new language I’m afraid
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