FA Youth Cup Vs Sunderland at Old Trafford

His 2 best touches probably came in that time, mbeumo-esque. Yeah not as good in the second half as first. The dribble late was great but 4th defender around him got a touch before he could shoot. His performance certainly wouldn't make a great highlight-reel, but just great decisions after another, with and without the ball. Full package. Didn't know his passing and decision making was that good, first full match I watched from him.

Ajayi started poorly, thwaites also. Chido made loads of wrong choices and bad touches. Number 7 was shit apart from the winner.

Chido had a weird game. Loads of poor decisions and looked like he wasn’t enjoying himself out there. But still a handful. And took his goal very well.

I honestly wouldn’t have seen much of a difference between Ajayi and Gabriel’s performance if I wasn’t primed to see brilliance in everything Gabriel does. I suspect Ajayi would have stood out more to neutrals, even if only because of his superb goal.

Thwaites didn’t show much quality but seems to have bags of energy. Which he needed, as he seemed to be playing in central midfield on his own?

Agree Brown was a bit meh.
 
Chido had a weird game. Loads of poor decisions and looked like he wasn’t enjoying himself out there. But still a handful. And took his goal very well.

I honestly wouldn’t have seen much of a difference between Ajayi and Gabriel’s performance if I wasn’t primed to see brilliance in everything Gabriel does. I suspect Ajayi would have stood out more to neutrals, even if only because of his superb goal.

Thwaites didn’t show much quality but seems to have bags of energy. Which he needed, as he seemed to be playing in central midfield on his own?

Agree Brown was a bit meh.
I don't doubt that at all. Whether they would be right or not could be a different story.

I haven't seen enough of Gabriel to be biased before the game. But we get to do a retake in the semi! When is it, anyone?
 
How do you know that? People always think youth players will change so much. "Rashford will learn and get smarter". I'm pretty sure Obi always will lack in game intelligence and shoot at every opportunity.
I don’t and those that don’t learn don’t make it at the end of the day.
 
Ajayi, Kukonki and Gabriel looked United's best players on the day.

I keep hoping Obi will properly really kick on and show some more urgency in his play, but it's not happened yet. He got a goal, but should have had a couple more, as well as maybe an assist or two. He still has time, but it's annoying as the potential is still there.

Thwaites and McCormack have to pattern up. They have been 2 of the biggest culprits so far in terms of sloppy passing.
Ajayi started poorly, thwaites also
Thwaites didn’t show much quality

I'm still not sure where the big Thwaites hype is coming from. He was one of the oldest players out there, but seemed to give the ball away half the time he got it. Having the odd quality set-piece won't compensate fully for seeming sub-par in open play.
 
Ajayi, Kukonki and Gabriel looked United's best players on the day.

I keep hoping Obi will properly really kick on and show some more urgency in his play, but it's not happened yet. He got a goal, but should have had a couple more, as well as maybe an assist or two. He still has time, but it's annoying as the potential is still there.





I'm still not sure where the big Thwaites hype is coming from. He was one of the oldest players out there, but seemed to give the ball away half the time he got it. Having the odd quality set-piece won't compensate fully for seeming sub-par in open play.
He has been sloppy since coming back from his injury a few weeks ago. I would say prior to that injury he was more assured on the ball even when under pressure. Now i see him sending simple passes out of play. It has to be rust.
 
Interesting game.

Sunderland had the first 15 minutes and their intensity off the ball didn't allow us any space anywhere on the pitch. Most of our play was sloppy with the defenders slow on the ball and the attackers unable to keep possession.

Once Ajayi scored a cracking goal we took control, slowly got into the game and looked much better in the last 20 mins of the first half. However, our defenders were way too slow with their distribution....a first team malaise.

After the break, Sunderland made some tactical changes. The No. 9 went to centre-half, the No. 5 to centre-forward with their No. 8 dropping deeper into a whole in midfield. They were really aggressive and started to bully us, even though they were a slightly smaller team. Our defenders didn't like their physical approach at all with only Kukonki willing to 'mix it'.

Bringing pressure on to ourselves, Byrne-Hughes poor pass led to their first goal and terrible defending by Helafu allowed Sunderland to score their second. We were really all over the place.

We started playing it longer out of defence rather than 'tippy-tappy' and it led to Obi-Martin's goal as he outpaced the defender to score an equaliser at the second attempt. It also stopped Sunderland pushing on as they were clearly worried about Chido's pace. Playing the long ball from defence quickly to him, stopped a lot of the pressure. This is a classic difference between the pass, pass, pass culture and development focus of Academy football versus the 'winning mentality' in the FA Youth Cup and first team. I'm not sure who instigated the change in tactics (Fletcher or the players themselves) but it worked.

Fletcher made a couple of subs to get some physicality at the back and Brown, who had been anonymous most of the night made a great run and scored from an acute angle to give us the lead.

Both teams went end to end in the last 15 mins and could of scored, and although we had the better chances, selfish forward play meant that their keeper didn't need to make any saves.

Overall an indifferent display, similar to Peterborough and Derby County. We don't have a good FA Youth Cup TEAM, but a few stand-out individuals that continue to win games for us. Quite a few of the players may be late developers so time will tell.

Of the known names here are my views:

Armer - distribution poor on the night and very slow bringing the ball out
Kukonki - probably our best player putting in hard graft and matching their physicality
Thwaites - On his own in midfield, sloppy, unable to control the game
Gabriel - marked out of the match for most of it and although he created some space, wasted it
Ajayi - apart from his goal, he didn't do much
Obi-Martin - looked disinterested most of the game, refused to pass to players in better positions, took his goal well
The rest - average at best

Final thoughts:

1. We will have to play a lot better to overcome Palace and whoever is in the final if we get there.
2. At least we have players who can win games with a moment of magic
3. We don't like it when other teams are physical with our players being so small (not in height but in strength)
4. We have to learn how to win games without Gabriel, which we did.
5. Gabriel is a good player, but as we saw, other teams can mark him out of the game, he will learn to deal with that over time.
6. We don't play as a team...something other past teams were really good at.
7. On this showing, none of these players are anywhere near ready for the first team...Gabriel included although he clearly had an off night if you compare it to his league performances.
8. The crowd was very disappointing...2,516

No date has been set yet for the Palace semi-final at home yet, but hopefully we will get a better crowd.
 
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Interesting game.

Sunderland had the first 15 minutes and their intensity off the ball didn't allow us any space anywhere on the pitch. Most of our play was sloppy with the defenders slow on the ball and the attackers unable to keep possession.

Once Ajayi scored a cracking goal we took control, slowly got into the game and looked much better in the last 20 mins of the first half. However, our defenders were way too slow with their distribution....a first team malaise.

After the break, Sunderland made some tactical changes. The No. 9 went to centre-half, the No. 5 to centre-forward with their No. 8 dropping deeper into a whole in midfield. They were really aggressive and started to bully us, even though they were a slightly smaller team. Our defenders didn't like their physical approach at all with only Kukonki willing to 'mix it'.

Bringing pressure on to ourselves, Byrne-Hughes poor pass led to their first goal and terrible defending by Helafu allowed Sunderland to score their second. We were really all over the place.

We started playing it longer out of defence rather than 'tippy-tappy' and it led to Obi-Martin's goal as he outpaced the defender to score an equaliser at the second attempt. It also stopped Sunderland pushing on as they were clearly worried about Chido's pace. Playing the long ball from defence quickly to him, stopped a lot of the pressure. This is a classic difference between the pass, pass, pass culture and development focus of Academy football versus the 'winning mentality' in the FA Youth Cup and first team. I'm not sure who instigated the change in tactics (Fletcher or the players themselves) but it worked.

Fletcher made a couple of subs to get some physicality at the back and Brown, who had been anonymous most of the night made a great run and scored from an acute angle to give us the lead.

Both teams went end to end in the last 15 mins and could of scored, and although we had the better chances, selfish forward play meant that their keeper didn't need to make any saves.

Overall an indifferent display, similar to Peterborough and Derby County. We don't have a good FA Youth Cup TEAM, but a few stand-out individuals that continue to win games for us. Quite a few of the players may be late developers so time will tell.

Of the known names here are my views:

Armer - distribution poor on the night and very slow bringing the ball out
Kukonki - probably our best player putting in hard graft and matching their physicality
Thwaites - On his own in midfield, sloppy, unable to control the game
Gabriel - marked out of the match for most of it and although he created some space, wasted it
Ajayi - apart from his goal, he didd't do much
Obi-Martin - looked disinterested most of the game, refused to pass to players in better positions, took his goal well
The rest - average at best

Final thoughts:

1. We will have to play a lot better to overcome Palace and whoever is in the final if we get there.
2. At least we have players who can win games with a moment of magic
3. We don't like it when other teams are physical with our players being so small (not in height but in strength)
4. We have to learn how to win games with Gabriel, which we did.
5. Gabriel is a good player, but as we saw, other teams can mark him out of the game, he will learn to deal with that over time.
6. We don't play as a team...something other past teams were really good at.
7. On this showing, none of these players are anywhere near ready for the first team...Gabriel included although he clearly had an off night if you compare it to his league performances.
8. The crowd was very disappointing...2,516

No date has been set yet for the Palace semi-final at home yet, but hopefully we will get a better crowd.
Yes 2516 spectators and the usual entrance chaos. Only 3 turnstiles open. Arrived 6.45, seated at 7.16.
 
How do you know that? People always think youth players will change so much. "Rashford will learn and get smarter". I'm pretty sure Obi always will lack in game intelligence and shoot at every opportunity.
Its very negative, but its something I always forget. I always assume that a footballer's career has a straight progression all the way up to 28 with improvements happening every season. Thats why I got so excited about that picture of Kobbie, Amad, Rasmus and Garnacho after the FA Cup final. I was imaginging them all improving together and "can you just see them in three years?!?"

But, obviously, it doesn't happen like that.
 
How do you know that? People always think youth players will change so much. "Rashford will learn and get smarter". I'm pretty sure Obi always will lack in game intelligence and shoot at every opportunity.
Exactly. They could end up with a kneck tattoo, leaking lineups and dunking on managers.
 
Interesting game.

Sunderland had the first 15 minutes and their intensity off the ball didn't allow us any space anywhere on the pitch. Most of our play was sloppy with the defenders slow on the ball and the attackers unable to keep possession.

Once Ajayi scored a cracking goal we took control, slowly got into the game and looked much better in the last 20 mins of the first half. However, our defenders were way too slow with their distribution....a first team malaise.

After the break, Sunderland made some tactical changes. The No. 9 went to centre-half, the No. 5 to centre-forward with their No. 8 dropping deeper into a whole in midfield. They were really aggressive and started to bully us, even though they were a slightly smaller team. Our defenders didn't like their physical approach at all with only Kukonki willing to 'mix it'.

Bringing pressure on to ourselves, Byrne-Hughes poor pass led to their first goal and terrible defending by Helafu allowed Sunderland to score their second. We were really all over the place.

We started playing it longer out of defence rather than 'tippy-tappy' and it led to Obi-Martin's goal as he outpaced the defender to score an equaliser at the second attempt. It also stopped Sunderland pushing on as they were clearly worried about Chido's pace. Playing the long ball from defence quickly to him, stopped a lot of the pressure. This is a classic difference between the pass, pass, pass culture and development focus of Academy football versus the 'winning mentality' in the FA Youth Cup and first team. I'm not sure who instigated the change in tactics (Fletcher or the players themselves) but it worked.

Fletcher made a couple of subs to get some physicality at the back and Brown, who had been anonymous most of the night made a great run and scored from an acute angle to give us the lead.

Both teams went end to end in the last 15 mins and could of scored, and although we had the better chances, selfish forward play meant that their keeper didn't need to make any saves.

Overall an indifferent display, similar to Peterborough and Derby County. We don't have a good FA Youth Cup TEAM, but a few stand-out individuals that continue to win games for us. Quite a few of the players may be late developers so time will tell.

Of the known names here are my views:

Armer - distribution poor on the night and very slow bringing the ball out
Kukonki - probably our best player putting in hard graft and matching their physicality
Thwaites - On his own in midfield, sloppy, unable to control the game
Gabriel - marked out of the match for most of it and although he created some space, wasted it
Ajayi - apart from his goal, he didd't do much
Obi-Martin - looked disinterested most of the game, refused to pass to players in better positions, took his goal well
The rest - average at best

Final thoughts:

1. We will have to play a lot better to overcome Palace and whoever is in the final if we get there.
2. At least we have players who can win games with a moment of magic
3. We don't like it when other teams are physical with our players being so small (not in height but in strength)
4. We have to learn how to win games with Gabriel, which we did.
5. Gabriel is a good player, but as we saw, other teams can mark him out of the game, he will learn to deal with that over time.
6. We don't play as a team...something other past teams were really good at.
7. On this showing, none of these players are anywhere near ready for the first team...Gabriel included although he clearly had an off night if you compare it to his league performances.
8. The crowd was very disappointing...2,516

No date has been set yet for the Palace semi-final at home yet, but hopefully we will get a better crowd.
Re the players not being ready for the first team, it wouldn't be normal if they were yet. Gabriel is 15 ffs. He shouldn't be anywhere near first team squads for at least another year yet.

Re the crowd, they should lower the prices to a fiver for adults. £10 for an under 18s match is insane. We got 67,000 for the final in 2022 so demand is definitely there.
 
FAYC Semi-final against Crystal Palace will be played at Old Trafford on Friday 17 April at 19:00 BST.
 
£10 for a ticket again ffs



It was £1 for the final in 2022 and 67,000 people turned up.

Why not make it cheaper and get more people in?


I'm not defending Jim, but come on. £10 to watch some of the best U18s in the world, at Old Trafford, is not particularly expensive. In Sweden, you pay £10 to watch a lot of lads who got drunk last night and play in the seventh highest division.
 
It's only a tenner
I'm not defending Jim, but come on. £10 to watch some of the best U18s in the world, at Old Trafford, is not particularly expensive. In Sweden, you pay £10 to watch a lot of lads who got drunk last night and play in the seventh highest division.
Evidence suggests that people aren't that arsed enough about "watching some of the best under 18s in the world" to pay a tenner for it. Just over 2,000 people turned up for the last round.

Again, they charged only £1 for the final in 2022 and almost filled the ground.

Why not do £1 (or even say £3) again and make shit load of money back on food, drinks, programmes etc. Promote to schools etc and you'd make it an occasion to remember for the players rather than playing in front of a small crowd in the South Stand again.

Not saying you'd get 67,000 for semi final this year but you'd certainly get a big enough crowd to get enough secondary spend from families.
 
The game at Palace is £5 adults and £1 kids.

When I got tickets, they only had 3 sections of the ground available - I reckon about 10% capacity.

I don’t know what the demand is for these types of games. I would people with access to data would be able to determine a suitable price point to maximise attendance and revenue.

Your point about secondary revenue is important.
 
The game at Palace is £5 adults and £1 kids.

When I got tickets, they only had 3 sections of the ground available - I reckon about 10% capacity.

I don’t know what the demand is for these types of games. I would people with access to data would be able to determine a suitable price point to maximise attendance and revenue.

Your point about secondary revenue is important.

Think the main thing is getting people in through the gate.

Expensive to take your kids to see the first team, and it benefits the club to get young people in the community engaged with the club beyond the Internet
 
Are there ever any quotes from the manager after such matches? Anything from Fletcher? I admit I’m more of a fan of him now that he completely said all the right things and carried himself like an absolute class act during his interim spell.
 
The game at Palace is £5 adults and £1 kids.

When I got tickets, they only had 3 sections of the ground available - I reckon about 10% capacity.

I don’t know what the demand is for these types of games. I would people with access to data would be able to determine a suitable price point to maximise attendance and revenue.

Your point about secondary revenue is important.

Were they paper tickets or digital?
 
The game at Palace is £5 adults and £1 kids.

When I got tickets, they only had 3 sections of the ground available - I reckon about 10% capacity.

I don’t know what the demand is for these types of games. I would people with access to data would be able to determine a suitable price point to maximise attendance and revenue.

Your point about secondary revenue is important.
I think a fiver is genuinely the maximum you should be charging for these matches. Some of these players are only what 15?

There's a demand for it if you:

a) promote it enough and b)charge a reasonable price.

Our support has on enough times, shown up for these types of matches but charging £10 is just bad marketing. They've done similar with the Women's Champions League matches.

It might be not that much in the grand scheme of things but these prices just put people off.

It would be a great occasion if you could say fill the South Stand and maybe even half the bottom tier of North Stand and/or maybe the corner where the away fits usually sit. You'll struggle to do anything close to that with those prices.
 
I think a fiver is genuinely the maximum you should be charging for these matches. Some of these players are only what 15?

There's a demand for it if you:

a) promote it enough and b)charge a reasonable price.

Our support has on enough times, shown up for these types of matches but charging £10 is just bad marketing. They've done similar with the Women's Champions League matches.

It might be not that much in the grand scheme of things but these prices just put people off.

It would be a great occasion if you could say fill the South Stand and maybe even half the bottom tier of North Stand and/or maybe the corner where the away fits usually sit. You'll struggle to do anything close to that with those prices.

Yep. I'm not that fussed but live 2 miles away.

At £1 / £5 a ticket I probably take my G.F and niece along, buy a few beers and a chocolate bar. £20 night out.

At this price range, £20 a go just for me and the G/F - not fussed, we'll go for a pint and a meal out.
 
Yep. I'm not that fussed but live 2 miles away.

At £1 / £5 a ticket I probably take my G.F and niece along, buy a few beers and a chocolate bar. £20 night out.

At this price range, £20 a go just for me and the G/F - not fussed, we'll go for a pint and a meal out.
Aye.

It also wasn't that long ago where you could pay on the gate at these matches.

It all strikes me as just being really shit decision making. You're only losing on revenue by doing this.

It's the same for that Under 21s game against Real Madrid next week and for the Women last week against Bayern.

You'd get a much bigger crowd with more reasonable pricing. TRA section set a section up to create an atmosphere and get a bit of excitement. Basic errors all the time from the club when fans are at least, slightly more positive about things.