Fabregas, Barcelona, & Badge Kissing.

Ceks

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Marvellous performance from him today but…it’s not his 4 assists and 1 goal that has got me talking, but instead, the old player badge-kissing again.

If you didn't see it, I'm sure you will tonight on MOTD. Fabregas ran over to the Arsenal fans, kissing the badge whilst pointing out to the crowd - a little to my discomfort, I might add.

Now we've all seen this before, so is this just another example of a player kissing the badge, seemingly committing his future to the club, only to leave the club the next or following summer?

Now if I see Fabregas kissing the badge like that, then I'm expecting him to be committing another four to five seasons to this club – atleast! But what should I expect? Clearly Barcelona are interested, so it'll only be until next summer before the mass speculation and media circus starts prowling around Fabregas. He's going to be the new Ronaldo for the press, as his situation is mostly identical.

What's the sort of time scale that you lot see Fabregas staying at Arsenal? Because if it's anything less that what I've stated after today's crowd and club gesture, then I’ll be pretty damn insulted.

You can't put a price on him at the moment. There's not a price Barcelona could afford right now anyway. If pete's rosy outlook in this weeks podcast of our finances is sound, then we have no reason to sell, and if we're to take this kiss of the badge as significant and genuine, then surely there would be no reason for a move to be on the cards.
 
Interesting topic.

I think you will keep him around for a little while longer. The situation may be the same, but the player is different. And Cesc seems to have a much better attitude than Ronaldo ever did, at least from what I have seen of him. I don't follow that closely so correct me if I'm wrong.

If he dreams of Barca, then he'll go there eventually, but I think he clearly still has goals with Arsenal that he wants to attain.
 
Ceks said:
There's not a price Barcelona could afford right now anyway.
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Hmm, I dunno. They splashed out about forty million net on Ibrahimovic, together with other signings, and the season before they spent upwards of fifty million pounds, too. Barcelona are feckin' rich, and they spend a lot of money, but people don't like to talk about that.
 
Count Duckula said:
Hmm, I dunno. They splashed out about forty million net on Ibrahimovic, together with other signings, and the season before they spent upwards of fifty million pounds, too. Barcelona are feckin' rich, and they spend a lot of money, but people don't like to talk about that.
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Yeh granted. But I'm saying £50m wouldn't be enough for us to consider selling. Only Fabregas could engineer a move, and after today, if he's genuine, and not leading fans on, then that doesn't look all that likely.
 
Ceks said:
You can't put a price on him at the moment. There's not a price Barcelona could afford right now anyway. If pete's rosy outlook in this weeks podcast of our finances is sound, then we have no reason to sell, and if we're to take this kiss of the badge as significant and genuine, then surely there would be no reason for a move to be on the cards.
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:lol:

Behave. Every player has a price. Ronaldo, the best player in the world, had a price of £80 million. Fabregas, a player who isn't anywhere near Ronaldo's level - and a player who is at a club that doesn't look to be winning trophies - will have a price considerably less.

And as for the badge kissing..why do fans always mistake it for a sing of commitment? It's not. That's been proved time and time again. I think a move will be on the cards, if not this summer, the next. He'll probably go for something in the region of £30-40 million.
 
rednev said:
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Behave. Every player has a price. Ronaldo, the best player in the world, had a price of £80 million. Fabregas, a player who isn't at Ronaldo's level, and a player who is at a club that doesn't look to be winning trophies, will have a price considerably less.

And as for the badge kissing..why do fans always mistake it for a sing of commitment? It's not. That's been proved time and time again. I think a move will be on the cards, if not this summer, the next. He'll probably go for something in the region of £30-40 million.
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Ronaldo only had a price because he wanted to move to Madrid there and then, you plonker!
 
rednev said:
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Behave. Every player has a price. Ronaldo, the best player in the world, had a price of £80 million. Fabregas, a player who isn't at Ronaldo's level, and a player who is at a club that doesn't look to be winning trophies, will have a price considerably less.

And as for the badge kissing..why do fans always mistake it for a sing of commitment? It's not. That's been proved time and time again. I think a move will be on the cards, if not this summer, the next. He'll probably go for something in the region of £30-40 million.
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No.

Barcelona spent £40m on Ibrahimovic, and he's on about the same level as Fabregas, and he's 5 years older.

Can definitely see him going for closer to £50m.
 
Ceks said:
Ronaldo only had a price because he wanted to move to Madrid there and then, you plonker!
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Arsenal fans are deluded if they think Fabregas (a Barca fan from Barcelona) would not want a move to Barcelona (a bigger and better club than Arsenal) if they came in with an offer.
 
Id you win silverware this season, I think he'll stay for a couple more years. If not I can see him being gone in the summer. I just don't see how Barca need him right now.
 
2 seasons for me I reckon. If they don't win anything in that time then I don't see him sticking around. It's like Henry. He loves Arsenal and the fans, but he did leave.
 
Count Duckula said:
Hmm, I dunno. They splashed out about forty million net on Ibrahimovic, together with other signings, and the season before they spent upwards of fifty million pounds, too. Barcelona are feckin' rich, and they spend a lot of money, but people don't like to talk about that.
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Don't try to catergorise Barca as a team that does what that sham at Madrid do. They can spend big on one or two big players (only two players in their squad have cost over or around £30 mill) once in a while because their youth system produces world class players. Care to tell me what their squad costs? I can assure you that it'll be less than Chelsea's, City's and ours and much less than Madrid's. So no they don't do what you've implied.

Valdes
Puyol
Pique
Iniesta
Xavi
Messi
Basquets
Pedro
Bojan

Just to name a few.
 
Didn't Barca want to spend 50 Million on Henry before he decided to stay one more season? It was to be a transfer record and a ridiculous sum of money back then. They also wanted David Beckham before he went to Madrid so they got Ronaldinho instead which turned out to be beautiful, but he was not their first objective.

Just like Madrid they are a club ran by politics and elections and anybody who thinks they don't want to sway Fabregas to come to them are deluded. It has already been outlined by the directors as pretty much an objective for next season.

Their players talk about Fabregas all the time in the same way, Madrid players used to talk about Ronaldo without any regard for Arsenal. Last week was it not Xavi? Yes Barca produce world class talents but they still like to sign galaticos of their own to impress. Different toilet, same shit.
 
Boss said:
Didn't Barca want to spend 50 Million on Henry before he decided to stay one more season? It was to be a transfer record and a ridiculous sum of money back then. They also wanted David Beckham before he went to Madrid so they got Ronaldinho instead which turned out to be beautiful, but he was not their first objective.

Just like Madrid they are a club ran by politics and elections and anybody who thinks they don't want to sway Fabregas to come to them are deluded. It has already been outlined by the directors as pretty much an objective for next season.

Their players talk about Fabregas all the time in the same way, Madrid players used to talk about Ronaldo without any regard for Arsenal. Last week was it not Xavi? Yes Barca produce world class talents but they still like to sign galaticos of their own to impress. Different toilet, same shit.
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Not even close. Have you seen the make up of their squad and then compared it to the make up of the likes of Chelsea let alone Real Madrid?

Only two players in their squad were "big money" signings; Ibrahimovic and Alves.
 
Devil_forever said:
Not even close. Have you seen the make up of their squad and then compared it to the make up of the likes of Chelsea let alone Real Madrid?

Only two players in their squad were "big money" signings; Ibrahimovic and Alves.
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Didn't they also sign Chygrynskiy for 25 Million this summer? All I'm saying is don't expect them to be 'kind' when approaching Fabregas, regardless of how much world class talent that comes out of La Masia.
 
he'll stay another 3-5 years until Xavi begins deteriorating, then he'll come in and partner Iniesta.
 
Boss said:
Didn't they also sign Chygrynskiy for 25 Million this summer? All I'm saying is don't expect them to be 'kind' when approaching Fabregas, regardless of how much world class talent that comes out of La Masia.
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Oh I misunderstood your post then and no it was 25 million euros, the same fee we paid for Nani. It's just a harsh to label them in the same group as Madrid after they sign Ibrahimovic.
 
Fantastic player, and his style is made for Barcelona.

Just don`t see why Barca would shell out for him at this stage though, Iniesta and Xavi still have a lot to offer.

I reckon Fabregas could stay at Arsenal for another four or five years. I wouldn`t be shocked if he manages to pick up a Premier League trophy during those years either.
 
B9 from YAWN said:
he'll stay another 3-5 years until Xavi begins deteriorating, then he'll come in and partner Iniesta.
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Or when Henry retires/becomes shit. Iniesta will take Henry's position in the 4-3-3 and Fabregas will take Iniesta's place in the middle, which is a frightening prospect.
 
Said this before but unless we see some serious progress or win a trophy we are gonna be in for an epic struggle in the summer to keep him. He is now Barca's number one target and they have put the word out they want him. He is still only 22 years old as well so they will have no problem putting in a big bid to bring him back home (as they would say).

rednev said:
And as for the badge kissing..why do fans always mistake it for a sing of commitment? It's not. That's been proved time and time again. I think a move will be on the cards, if not this summer, the next. He'll probably go for something in the region of £30-40 million.
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Benzema went for around £35mill didn't he? Fabregas is currently much more highly rated and proven himself at the very top level unlike Benzema.

Boss said:
Didn't Barca want to spend 50 Million on Henry before he decided to stay one more season?
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They would of got him for under £10mill the summer before because I think either his contract was running out or he could of bought his contract out, I don't think Henry would of taken that option though.
 
Ceks said:
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Marvellous performance from him today but…it’s not his 4 assists and 1 goal that has got me talking, but instead, the old player badge-kissing again.

If you didn't see it, I'm sure you will tonight on MOTD. Fabregas ran over to the Arsenal fans, kissing the badge whilst pointing out to the crowd - a little to my discomfort, I might add.

Now we've all seen this before, so is this just another example of a player kissing the badge, seemingly committing his future to the club, only to leave the club the next or following summer?

Now if I see Fabregas kissing the badge like that, then I'm expecting him to be committing another four to five seasons to this club – atleast! But what should I expect? Clearly Barcelona are interested, so it'll only be until next summer before the mass speculation and media circus starts prowling around Fabregas. He's going to be the new Ronaldo for the press, as his situation is mostly identical.

What's the sort of time scale that you lot see Fabregas staying at Arsenal? Because if it's anything less that what I've stated after today's crowd and club gesture, then I’ll be pretty damn insulted.

You can't put a price on him at the moment. There's not a price Barcelona could afford right now anyway. If pete's rosy outlook in this weeks podcast of our finances is sound, then we have no reason to sell, and if we're to take this kiss of the badge as significant and genuine, then surely there would be no reason for a move to be on the cards.
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To be fair to the lad, unlike Ronaldo, it doesn't seem like the the specualtion has copme from any comments he's made. Today again after the game he has sated that he is committed to the club.

He has a long contract at Arsenal so they won't be forced to sell in the near future. I also can't see where he'll play in Barca's midfield given that the system they play relies heavily on a defensive midfield player alongside Xavi and Iniesta.

He will surely want to return to Spain one day but I don't think it's a certainty it'll be next year - besides, the stories saying they'll let him go for £30 million are daft considering the sums paid this year for players.
 
Psmith said:
Or when Henry retires/becomes shit. Iniesta will take Henry's position in the 4-3-3 and Fabregas will take Iniesta's place in the middle, which is a frightening prospect.
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Yeah, it depends on what Guardiola plans to do. Fabregas could come in as a replacement for either Xavi (in a few years as B9 says) or for Henry (2010/2011). Doing the latter means breaking up the Xavi/Iniesta double-act in midfield which is so pivotal to their current dominance of European football. Bringing in Fabregas to do that is pretty much the best option. Alternatively, if Guardiola spots a left-winger other than Iniesta to replace Henry over the next year or two then a move for Cesc would be put on ice for some time I'd imagine.
 
He's still the captain of the club and has a responsibility to the manager and the team, so it would be suicidal for morale and team spirit if he didn't at least pretend to be committed.

I wouldn't be surprised if he stayed another season or two, but I wouldn't be surprised if he left either. Hard one to call this. Captain or not, he's too good a player to hang around winning nothing, and he'd fit in at Barcelona perfectly.
 
Psmith said:
Hardly a controversial claim

He's been one of the best midfielders in the world for the last 4 years and he's only 22.
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He'll be one hell of a player if he becomes better than Scholes

I'd suggest he'd have to do more than simply 'stick around' to do that

I'd consider that a pretty controversial claim myself
 
There's more chance of him moving to Barcelona and fading into mediocrity than there is of him becomming a better player than Scholes.
 
Brad said:
Sorry

What?
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Read his post again Brad, quite clear actually.

Psmith said:
Hardly a controversial claim

He's been one of the best midfielders in the world for the last 4 years and he's only 22.
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It is controversial in the eyes of many man utd fans. Right now he is a better midfield player than Paul Scholes, though I'd say not quite as good as Scholes at his peak. To be expected though as Fabregas is still only 22 years old, what he is missing right now is a bit more consistency but hardly any players put in top class performances week in week out aged 22. Especially in a team like ours which has been undergoing many changes in the past few years.
 
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