Ferdinand and Vidic had great stats, Jones and Smalling have good stats, discuss

[ManchesterYoda]

On the ball

Possession

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Total number of accurate long passes/(total number of accurate long passes+total number of times lost possession through either bad control or being dispossessed)

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Thiago Silva
95.14%

Alderweireld
94.59%

Vidic
93.51%

Ferdinand
93.34%

Van Dijk
92.39%

Terry
90.47%

Kompany
90.30%

Sergio Ramos
89.41%

Varane
88.68%

Pique
88.12%

Koulibaly
85.85%

Lindelof
85.07%

David Luiz
84.09%

Maguire
84.04%

Rojo
82.21%

Smalling
81.44%

Boly
80.41%

Bailly
78.18%

Jones
74.51%

Tuanzebe
63.25%

Long pass accuracy

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Total number of accurate long passes/(total number of accurate long passes+total number of inaccurate long passes)

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Thiago Silva
74.51%

Ferdinand
71.14%

Sergio Ramos
69.75%

Kompany
66.21%

Vidic
65.92%

Varane
65.73%

Pique
65.47%

Jones
60.38%

David Luiz
58.02%

Van Dijk
57.73%

Terry
56.65%

Smalling
56.34%

Alderweireld
55.90%

Lindelof
53.98%

Maguire
51.67%

Koulibaly
50.39%

Rojo
45.75%

Bailly
45.03%

Boly
42.76%

Tuanzebe
38.95%

Average for these 2 areas of on the ball

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Thiago Silva
84.82%

Ferdinand
82.24%

Vidic
79.71%

Sergio Ramos
79.58%

Kompany
78.25%

Varane
77.21%

Pique
76.80%

Alderweireld
75.25%

Van Dijk
75.06%

Terry
73.56%

David Luiz
71.06%

Lindelof
69.53%

Smalling
68.89%

Koulibaly
68.12%

Maguire
67.86%

Jones
67.45%

Rojo
63.98%

Bailly
61.60%

Boly
61.58%

Tuanzebe
51.10%

Defending

Tackling

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Total number of tackles won/(total number of tackles won+total number of times dribbled past)

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Van Dijk
89.55%

Vidic
87.74%

Ferdinand
84.58%

Bailly
84.41%

Smalling
84.10%

Thiago Silva
83.19%

Boly
83.68%

Kompany
82.00%

Varane
81.43%

Sergio Ramos
80.93%

Terry
80.82%

Jones
78.49%

Tuanzebe
78.08%

Koulibaly
77.84%

Pique
77.37%

Maguire
75.63%

Alderweireld
75.44%

Rojo
74.56%

Lindelof
73.94%

David Luiz
70.63%

Heading

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Total number of aerial duels won/(total number of aerial duels won+total number of aerial duels lost)

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Thiago Silva
72.96%

Van Dijk
72.77%

Maguire
71.61%

Vidic
71.61%

Boly
71.33%

Terry
69.66%

Varane
69.66%

Kompany
68.85%

Sergio Ramos
67.34%

Smalling
66.56%

Pique
64.37%

Jones
64.33%

Ferdinand
61.09%

David Luiz
60.95%

Tuanzebe
60.67%

Rojo
59.67%

Bailly
59.55%

Koulibaly
57.54%

Lindelof
56.99%

Alderweireld
52.29%

Interceptions and fouls

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Total number of interceptions/(total number of interceptions+total number of fouls committed)

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Ferdinand
87.93%

Thiago Silva
75.52%

Van Dijk
74.88%

Varane
72.96%

Jones
72.25%

Alderweireld
71.83%

Terry
70.37%

Boly
69.56%

Bailly
68.93%

Pique
67.84%

Vidic
67.61%

Maguire
67.55%

Kompany
64.12%

Smalling
63.76%

David Luiz
63.47%

Lindelof
62.16%

Rojo
62.04%

Sergio Ramos
59.28%

Tuanzebe
57.14%

Koulibaly
56.75%

Average for these 3 areas of defending combined

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Van Dijk
79.07%

Ferdinand
77.87%

Thiago Silva
77.46%

Vidic
75.65%

Boly
74.86%

Varane
74.68%

Terry
73.61%

Jones
71.69%

Kompany
71.66%

Maguire
71.60%

Smalling
71.47%

Bailly
70.96%

Pique
69.86%

Sergio Ramos
69.18%

Alderweireld
66.52%

Rojo
65.42%

Tuanzebe
65.30%

David Luiz
65.02%

Lindelof
64.37%

Koulibaly
64.04%

 

[ManchesterYoda]

Data is from whoscored, all major competitions, 2009-present

I can add CBs on request

 

[Matt007a]

Surprising but just proves that you can’t judge a players quality by stats alone.

 

[altodevil]

Yes but who is top in Expected Duncan Edwards Comparisons per game?

 

[charlenefan]

Surprising but just proves that you can’t judge a players quality by stats.

Fixed

 

[Classical Mechanic]

I don't see much surprising but why leave Stones out @ManchesterYoda ? He has better passing stats than them all I think or is at least close to the top.

 

[Lennon7]

Stats like these mean very little. Their overall contribution to the team isn’t good enough. After all, they do play for Manchester United - even though we’ve been shite recently our players will always have not-awful stats unless they’re pure dogshit.

Plus, Lindelof and Bailly are up there for a lot of those stats too, and I feel certainly Lindelof just offers a lot more overall. Composure, quality, decision making, consistency - things that Jones and arguably Smalling lack and you’ve not factored in here. Plus, Jones is made of glass.

 

[ManchesterYoda]

I don't see much surprising but why leave Stones out @ManchesterYoda ? He has better passing stats than them all I think or is at least close to the top.

I will add Stones first, probably not tonight though

 

[Tomuś]

Ferdinand and Vidic were so good that we basically left them at half-way line with the whole team (full-backs included) pushing for a winner late on in games. No worries as the ball was coming back to the mix all the time and the opposite team could hardly counter. Would you feel the same with our current CBs?

That won't be included in the stats.

 

[Skills]

You can't work out an average like that.

 

[GailSpaceWynand]

 

[ManchesterYoda]

Stats like these mean very little. Their overall contribution to the team isn’t good enough. After all, they do play for Manchester United - even though we’ve been shite recently our players will always have not-awful stats unless they’re pure dogshit.

Plus, Lindelof and Bailly are up there for a lot of those stats too, and I feel certainly Lindelof just offers a lot more overall. Composure, quality, decision making, consistency - things that Jones and arguably Smalling lack and you’ve not factored in here. Plus, Jones is made of glass.

Wan-Bissaka tackling stat: 91.62% Does this stat mean very little? Or does it show that Wan-Bissaka is very strong at tackling?

 

[altodevil]

 

[Green_Red]

Only stats that count: Goals conceded, games lost, games won, trophies won.

 

[OverratedOpinion]

Rio's percentage on the Interception stat is ridiculous.

 

[2 man midfield]

Doesn’t really change anything. We know they’re still shit.

 

[Samid]

http://www.redcafe.net/threads/a-comparison-of-20-selected-centre-backs.445307/

Are you going to make a thread on this every 3-4 months?

 

[Lennon7]

Wan-Bissaka tackling stat: 91.62% Does this stat mean very little? Or does it show that Wan-Bissaka is very strong at tackling?

It backs up the fact he’s good at tackling, yes, but the reason why he’s so good in that area is also down to his reactions, his speed, his timing. I’m sure you’ll have some mediocre premier league defenders with 80%+ tackling stats too, but there’s more besides the stat.

I’m not saying stats are useless, they’re good indicators, but we can see and feel how good a player is by watching the team. Jones and Smalling aren’t the worst players but we need to do better to progress.

 

[Robbie Boy]

Stats vs eyes / reality eh.

 

[adexkola]

Fixed

Bullshit.

 

[Amar__]

Jones' stats are always misleading because he plays so little football and it's mostly during the easiest runs in the league against worst teams.

 

[Kush]

Jones and Smalling are not good enough, the fact they're about to complete 10 seasons each at his club sums up why we've been so shit for past 6 years. They epitomize everything wrong with us a club.

 

[adexkola]

It's amazing how ignorant a lot of people are regarding statistics. No they don't provide the full picture. They do provide a lot of insight, especially for those who can't watch every single game, or just don't know how to watch the game while paying attention to every detail they say statistics misses

P.S. Ferdinand and Vidic >> Jones and Smalling

 

[diarm]

Does anyone have the stats for how many own goals scored while trying to clear the ball with the wrong foot?

 

[mu4c_20le]

Stats or not, Lindelof really needs to learn how to head a ball.

 

[DRM]

Only stats that count: Goals conceded, games lost, games won, trophies won.

Thank you!

Close thread.

 

[Bubz27]

We were a great team. Now we're good-ish.

 

[WireMUFC]

So many variables, don’t know where to start.

 

[11101]

Wan-Bissaka tackling stat: 91.62% Does this stat mean very little? Or does it show that Wan-Bissaka is very strong at tackling?

It could mean he's great at tackling. It could mean he's poor at reading the game and often has to resort to lunging in. Impossible to tell which from stats alone.

 

[UncleBob]

Strangely enough there's no mention of goals conceded.

Weird.

 

[Tiber]

Discussion of these stats would be pointless

 

[golden_blunder]

Stats or not, Lindelof really needs to learn how to head a ball.

Yep

 

[Jeppers7]

Let's not compare, it won't end well for our current crop

 

[Pogue Mahone]

It's amazing how ignorant a lot of people are regarding statistics. No they don't provide the full picture. They do provide a lot of insight, especially for those who can't watch every single game, or just don't know how to watch the game while paying attention to every detail they say statistics misses

P.S. Ferdinand and Vidic >> Jones and Smalling

Yeah, agreed. Also, this a weird thread to belittle stats when they confirm the bleeding obvious. Vidic and Rio (and Van Dijk) were/are at a completely different level to any CB at United. Something born out by another stat. Our shit defensive record since Rio/Vidic retired, despite generally playing risk averse, defensive football.

 

[Rozay]

The discussion is that the game is to be watched, not read.

 

[mancan92]

I mean the stats clearly show they are worse. So don't know what your proving.

 

[stepic]

Yeah all I got from this is that I really really miss Rio and Vidic.

 

[adexkola]

The discussion is that the game is to be watched, not read.

No. It can be watched and read.

 

[Rozay]

No. It can be watched and read.

It CAN be watched, read, listened to and imagined. But it is a game designed to entertain, you tell a good player by watching football. The Opta nerds should go to university and write an exam on it.

 

[tenpoless]

You don't have to show stats to know which are the way better duos.

Pretty sure Mata has around 85% pass completion over the season, does that make him one of the best AM in the league?