Well I for one am shocked that a Cup that never in my lifetime was any popular, is still not popular amongst football fans, specially considering the crazy ticket prices atm.
FIFA Club World Cup, Tonight: Bayern vs. Boca; LAFC 0-1 ES Tunis (Benfica 6-0 Auckland; Flamengo 3-1 Chelsea)
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Well I for one am shocked that a Cup that never in my lifetime was any popular, is still not popular amongst football fans, specially considering the crazy ticket prices atm.
I'd rather not see Liverpool at all, but the reasoning behind who qualifies is all over the place.
It's not about securing the best teams (which is fair enough as the proper World Cup doesn't work that way either), but it's also not really about spreading it across nations. Out of the three "extra" European qualifiers, only Salzburg are representing a country that would have otherwise gone without a qualifier.
One of my main issues with it. Considering the weight of PSR and FFP in today's footballing world, having some teams play in this on the basis of some flimsy (at best) criteria who could have their fortunes massively improved thanks to the prize money (siphoned into it by massively dubious sources) seems really fecked up. That's the main difference with the nations' World Cup.
"But it's some more football games in a month where there's none" is a really shit argument to support an inherently flawed competition.
To be a proper World Club Cup it should have been 1 club from each country. Go by the domestic team who have won the most trophies over last 4 years for each country.
Let kids and families in for free or very very cheap. Pack the stadiums out.
9 x teams from Europe
9 x teams from America's
9 x teams from Africa / Middle East
9 x teams from far east / other regions
But FIFA are greedy and want their own CL, so it won't happen.
Why would you a) have a 36 team tournament and b) break it down by those weird regions rather than the pre-existing confederations?
Add the fact that it is taking place in a country where people are currently being randomly collected from the streets and locked up.
because pre existing confederations are skewed towards europe in terms of slots. there has to be more redistribution of wealth ourside of europe.
36 is my mistake, i forgot it was 32 so 8 per region
It's a 4th tier competition, they have their own native sports to watch, the US economy is not as rosy as the official numbers suggest. Hopefully the football bubble will burst. It's a really sick and ultra greedy sport these days that's primarily aimed at rinsing the "fans" for as much money as possible...
FIFA are utterly corrupt and the location of recent world cups has just depended on how much cash was driven up to FIFA HQ or how many federal agents showed up.
It's already bad enough that they don't have the most fun team to watch with the most promising young player. But it's even worse when you see the teams they have instead. Even in my native México I doubt people outside of the hardcore fans would rather see Pachuca.
But it’s not make-a-wish. Your team didn’t qualify since it didn’t meet the criteria. I know you need the money for some additional levers, but still…
They need to find a way to get Ronaldo in it. His fanboys have single handedly lifted the level of the Nations League to dizzying heights in only a few days.
Get Ronaldo out there on his knees in tears, ignoring his teammates and in 4 years, it should be on par with the CL
Get Ronaldo out there on his knees in tears, ignoring his teammates and in 4 years, it should be on par with the CL
How is yours not still skewed towards Europe?
All you've done is arbitrarily merged the American confederations and split the Asian one up to merge them with the African and Oceanic ones.
Also, Europe gets more spots because the European teams have more teams at a good level. Same as the proper World Cup.
Best you could do. What's the point of a CWC when 99% of the time the winners will be a European club?
Have more teams from other regions, however that's split. Make prize money equal for all teams to participate (which it currently isn't). Hopefully strengthen the teams from the other regions over time and make them stronger competition.
Basically currently it's a useless competition.
I think you're vastly overestimating the global influence this competition will have and underestimating how many clubs have effective monopolies on their league or even champions league.
I agree it's a useless competition, but your changes won't make it any less useless or indeed change anything about the teams from Europe's top leagues being the clear favourites.
I’ve just seen how much each team gets just for turning up! You’d expect Chelsea and City to get to the knockout stages and one of them to get to the semi final at least. If they do that, they’ll earn more than they would had they have got to the Champions League Final. This means that they will fill their coffers even more than they are filled already and blow us, Villa, Arsenal, Spurs etc out of the water in the transfer market if they want to. The plus side is that their players won’t get a break and that will effect them later next season, but that feels like a Pyrrhic victory given our financial problems.
Yeah didn't even want to get into the political side of this, considering I think pretty much everyone knows how USA are atm. But yeah, doesn't help at all.
I have already accepted the fact we are not in. Lamine, Lewandowski and Pedri were pretty tired anyway. I would rather have them rested for next season than risking and injury. FIFA and the tournament as a whole lose more than we do.
Even our friendly matches vs Real Madrid in the USA sell much more than that "World Cup".
The bonuses the players of the winning club will be on for winning this will ensure this is one seriously competitive event.#INeverWantedHerAnyways
It‘s 100m for the winner.
Prestige be damned; if you're not an oil/state-owned club, this is too much money to ignore.
Injuries to key assets incurred whilst playing in this tournament could be a big talking point.
if your club aren’t in it, you can’t get excited for it.
The catchment is too small for interest in it worldwide and for the inaugural tournament you have it in a country that doesn’t give a feck about the sport.
It will probably be like the original world club championships we played in in Brazil after the treble had once then forgotten about.
The catchment is too small for interest in it worldwide and for the inaugural tournament you have it in a country that doesn’t give a feck about the sport.
It will probably be like the original world club championships we played in in Brazil after the treble had once then forgotten about.
I feel (a little) bad for the people who've bought tickets already. They can't give them away.
ICE will probably be waiting at the turnstiles sadly.
So... What would you rather do than watch the FIFA Club World Cup:
I would rather sit through back to back full daily viewings of our two Europa League Final defeats.
I would rather sit through back to back full daily viewings of our two Europa League Final defeats.
Be interesting to see how this goes. For me, they should've put this in South America to begin with as they would've sold the tickets easily - even if the revenue wasn't great. However, the greed of FIFA wouldn't allow that.
Imagine watching Bayern-Boca Juniors in La Bombonera or Flamengo-Chelsea at Maracana. Now that would sell tickets and have a great atmosphere. But as you say, the revenue would probably not please FIFA.
This and it is also a test run for next year's WC.
How did Inter Miami make it to this tournament? 
Did they have to play some qualifiers against scrubs?
Did they have to play some qualifiers against scrubs?
Yeah, I know. It reminds me a bit of the ole Confederations Cup with served as a runup to the World Cup sometimes.
Has been answered 574 times in this thread an Google is free.How did Inter Miami make it to this tournament?
Did they have to play some qualifiers against scrubs?
That's what I feel slightly dubious about. What stops , for example, Saudi setting up a pre-season tournament with Newcastle and 3 other random teams from Saudi with a winning prize as 100M? Will that count towards PSR or does it only count if the tournament is associated with FIFA/UEFA?
There's an article in the biggest Belgian newspaper today that claims the Bayern board is putting a lot of pressure on Kompany to try and win this abomination. Not for any sportive reasons of course, but for the 100m+ on offer for the winners.
How does this even work for the American teams? Doesn't their league have a salary cap and a distribution system? What if one team suddenly banks an extra 100 million (or even 30 million or so)?
How does this even work for the American teams? Doesn't their league have a salary cap and a distribution system? What if one team suddenly banks an extra 100 million (or even 30 million or so)?
Damn, Ronaldo living in your head rent free hahaha
There will be plenty of sell out games, just mainly between the big teams and in the latter stages. Pre season friendlies between big teams sell out in the states despite tickets being like $150+. The big issue for this is most of the games are entirely uninteresting even if all teams did take it seriously.
I do hope it crashes and burns but the potential prize will get players caring in the latter stages I'm sure. Not on the same degree as most other competitions, but more than what it deserves to get.
I do hope it crashes and burns but the potential prize will get players caring in the latter stages I'm sure. Not on the same degree as most other competitions, but more than what it deserves to get.
Genius staged a football tournament in the US and is surprised that people aren't interested. Similar thing will happen at rhe 2026 World cup, although to a lesser extent probably because of the World cup's popularity. The US and football simply do not mix well.
If they've bought tickets, why would they want to?
He really is! I can’t sleep at times!!
I'd be surprised if the world cup didn't sell 90%+ of tickets. The US is full of ex-pats from all nations, it's relatively easy to get to and people actually give a shit about the tournament.
This club thing was always going to bomb. 3 of the 4 most popular teams in North America aren't even in it (United, Barcelona, Liverpool) and even die hard football fans probably don't know who some of the clubs in it are. I genuinely have no idea why they thought staging Saudi Club V South Korean club in north America was a good idea. It's so ridiculously niche.
You mean US American teams? I don't think there's a salary cap in the Mexican league or in South America.
If a US club makes more money then I would assume it simply goes to the owner.
It is 70-80M+ for reaching the semifinal and 120+ for winning. (Bombing out of the group stage would make ~30M) Pretty sure this is the reasoning at all clubs from top European leagues. Making the semifinal in this thing is worth risking the next season locally. Bayern and Paris I expect to be fully invested in this, as they can afford to have a bad season in the domestic league next year, and will still be guaranteed top 4… The gap between winning the league and finishing fourth isn’t big enough to justify throwing away a 120M competition…
MLS has exception to their soft salary cap, it is not really a levelled playing field. Actually clubs can get their stars signing subsidiesed.
No chance. 1994 broke attendance records, and that was before the MLS and before the European leagues were widely broadcast in the US.
Some group stage matches will probably struggle to sell out due to the expanded field (who's going to shell out a couple hundred to see New Zealand vs Uzbekistan?), but other than that they won't have any trouble filling the stadia.