What a load of shite bollocks this comp will be
FIFA Club World Cup, Tonight: Bayern vs. Boca; LAFC 0-1 ES Tunis (Benfica 6-0 Auckland; Flamengo 3-1 Chelsea)
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Nik (@Rood), Jamie (@Vault Dweller) and Ed (@That'sHernandez) give their end of season awards out! They celebrate the best players, goals and moments of the season (there were some, honestly) and also give out awards for the worst and most disappointing players/moments of the season.
They then discuss all the latest transfer rumours and get into the potential ins and outs this summer at Old Trafford.
If the present situation in Los Angeles continues, I wonder how it will affect having a bunch of football games being played in the Rose Bowl in Pasadena.
PSG vs Atletico is already on Sunday, and that might not be a big seller but the day after... Inter vs Monterrey which means tens of thousands of Mexican fans attending.
PSG vs Atletico is already on Sunday, and that might not be a big seller but the day after... Inter vs Monterrey which means tens of thousands of Mexican fans attending.
How did Chelsea get a invite into this or is it typical FIFA rules where the most bent clubs get priority ?
Did the likes of Liverpool or Arsenal turn this down or something ?
Did the likes of Liverpool or Arsenal turn this down or something ?
They won the Champions League between 2021 and 2024
Winning the CL (even if it was years ago now in Chelsea's case). European teams are restricted to two entrants from each country, so there are no other English clubs.
So you have some great situations where Red Bull Salzburg and FC Porto are in it, while Barcelona and Liverpool aren't, yet Brazil get to have four sides for some reason. Makes a load of sense.
They can have more than 2 clubs if they won the CL, but not based on ranking. 4 Brazilian teams have won the last 4 Copa Libertadores.
To me it's daft that a trophy won four years ago qualifies you for this. I don't know about Palmeiras or Flamengo, but Chelsea barely have a player left who was even with them when they won the CL.
Not going to whinge too much on behalf of Liverpool (or Barca), but it's objectively pretty silly that some of the biggest clubs winning the biggest leagues this year are sat at home watching Red Bull Salzburg play in this.
Only Reece James I think. It's a mockery
I can't say that I'll be boycotting, but I have no intention on watching any of this tournament. I wouldn't watch the Club World Cup in its old format and after a shite season, I've got even less appetite to be watching this too. Wimbledon will be on during a chunk of the tournament, so my sporting fix will be satisfied.
So are Salzburg only in this thing because all the higher ranked teams in Europe would break the ‘only two teams from any one country rule’? ie England, Spain, Germany, Portugal, Italy or France aren’t allowed a third team? But Brazil are allowed four teams? What a farce.
When they were organising this, Liverpool and Barca hadn't won the league yet. The draw was in December. I think Chelsea were 2 points off Liverpool at the time and Arsenal weren't far behind. Not that any of this matters. They had to set the criteria at some point. It's a World Cup. It would seem sillier to have winning a domestic league qualify you rather than winning the CL.
It will be the same again in 4 years. If PSG don't win a thing in the next 4 years, they've already secured their spot in the next CWC, if its still thing.
Agreed. It should be based exclusively on cumulative coefficient ranking and nothing else and I would reduce the measurement period from 4 years to two years. Coefficient points should be based exclusively on CL participation and not Europa league or Conference league.
4 years is a long time in football and if you win your top continental cup, you will probably be high enough in the coefficient rankings to qualify anyways.
right now there's basically no other sporting event that matters until Part III on Center Court
Well 4 different teams from Brazil won the last 4 editions of the South American premium club competition. Had this been the case in Europe for any country, that country would have had 4 teams qualify directly, and Salzburg would be out and replaced by a higher placed team. In practice, only Chelsea qualified through wining the trophy. Chelsea, Madrid and City would have gotten in through ranking anyway.
According to the ranking used, over those particular 4 years, France only has 1 team in the UCL top 20 and Portugal only has 2... Salzburg is ranked 18th over that period. The teams that did better than Salzburg in the CL and didn't make it due to the country limit are : Liverpool, Leipzig, Barcelona, Milan, Napoli, Sevilla... Salzburg got in 1pt ahead of Ajax, thanks to regular participation in the UCL. The did qualify for it over all the 4 relevant season. Among the teams that made it to the CWC only Juventus, Chelsea and Benfica did it despite missing at least 1 edition. Chelsea is better ranked than Liverpool over the relevant period (20/21--23/24), they'd have qualified even if they had lost the 20/21 final... Only way for Pool to make it was to win the 2022 final vs Real Madrid. Actually that's the only final that could have changed a thing (City 21, Inter 23 and Dortmund 24 wouldn't change a thing, they'd take their places in the ranking anyway). But Salzburg would be out if Pool had won 2022.
@Dannn411 It is based on the UCL only...
https://www.fotcalc.com/4-year-ranking
Nonsense. The exact opposite is the case. Winning a domestic league has always been a better marker of the true quality of a club side than winning a cup competition.
But how do you share the 12 UEFA spots between league winenrs from 55 different countries ?
With respect, it's not nonsense. You're making a completely irrelevant point. Its a World Cup. We're not measuring the true quality of club sides.
No idea. And I genuinely could not care less. I couldn’t be less interested in FIFA’s latest nonsense. I’m only in this thread because there’s feck all else to talk about on redcafe! I just saw a comment which implied that winning a CL trophy is a better measure of a team than winning the league and disagreed with it.
You absolutely could.
I didn't imply that at all. You've misunderstood my post. What I said was, for the specific context of qualifying for a club world cup, winning the CL should absolutely be a more important criterion than winning a domestic league. I said nothing about what you're talking about. No idea how you even got that from the bit you bolded.
I really really hope this club competition will be an absolute disaster and will fail to attract many viewers and/or audience attention.
The FIFA was saved when Saudi Money via DAZN bought the television rights for an excessive amount (there was hardly any interest from both traditional tv channels and streaming services), as a corrupt bribe to bring the World Cup to Saudi Arabia. If this club competition massively fails, who is going to buy the rights next time.
Honestly, it really infuriates me this competition will be held.. Give the players a fecking break please. Competitions start again in august, a lot of internals coming up again in sept/oct/nov. Domestic and continental club football pay the absolute price for this. I hate the way the world works.
The FIFA was saved when Saudi Money via DAZN bought the television rights for an excessive amount (there was hardly any interest from both traditional tv channels and streaming services), as a corrupt bribe to bring the World Cup to Saudi Arabia. If this club competition massively fails, who is going to buy the rights next time.
Honestly, it really infuriates me this competition will be held.. Give the players a fecking break please. Competitions start again in august, a lot of internals coming up again in sept/oct/nov. Domestic and continental club football pay the absolute price for this. I hate the way the world works.
I dont think it's practical to base it on league performance, but I'd have increased the nation allocation to three, which would have seen Liverpool, Barcelona and Leipzig qualify ahead of Benfica, Juventus and Salzburg.
I think we’ve just established I don’t even care enough to read up what the poxy competition is all about, so yeah, I really could not care less. I’ve always had a pretty dim view of FIFA but Infantino’s cosying up with Trump/Saudi makes my stomach turn. I’m getting pretty close to not bothering to watch the actual World Cup next summer, so this club World Cup nonsense is of less than zero interest to me.
So you disagreed with something you made up someone else said?
You can see exactly what I disagreed with. That’s the beauty of the quote mechanism.
I have no idea what point you’re making. I think my point is fairly clear. A “club World Cup” should really involve the best clubs in the world. The actual World Cup would be a farce if it excluded some of the best international teams in the world. And the best club in any given country is the club that’s won the league. The second best club is the one that finished second. And so on.
But if Gianni’s love child wants to have different criteria then - as I said - I couldn’t give a bollox. Knock yourselves out.
The WC does that... Italy 2021 Euro winners were 6th in the Fifa ranking as the 2022 WC kicked off wihtout them and with teams below 50th taking part...
Next time, we will see teams ranked 80 and below take part and possibly some from the top 10 might not make it.
The qualifying system is the fairest we have, and unless we want to make it impossible for small teams to ever qualify we will always get some chokers every now and then...
Why would they do that ? The only motivation is financial. Getting Barcelona in would have helped FIFA financially sure... But the rest would be a net loss.
The 2 clubs limit makes it a bit more open for countries outside the big 6/7 to be represented. And that helps FIFA get consent for it from more UEFA associations... The clubs from the Netherlands, Turkey, Belgium, Denmark may all look at this edition and think we may be there next time. With your system, it is more of a closed shop.
I'd rather make it 1 team per country (unless a country gets more UCL winners). Which would kick out Atletico, Dortmund, Juventus and Benfica... Replacing them with Ajax, Shakhtar, Brugge and Copenhagen.
Has he tried engraving his name and face on every ticket ?
Get this, maybe it was a dumb idea to begin with.
Dumb idea to begin with and organized in a country where everybody is scared to go to right now. I bet PSG and Atletico fans are itching to go to LA on sunday after watching what happened there over the weekend.
I mean, as a fan of a club which isn't participating at this tournament, there is no reason to watch the CWC and much to hope that it flops. A tournament for a select few clubs in which you can earn more money over the span of four weeks than by winning the UCL is distorting the competition massively and what makes it even worse is that it comes at the cost of the quality of football overall because the top players get even less rest after long and exhausting seasons.
No shit. How many foreign fans (and many local ones too) are going to feel comfortable travelling to these venues with all that's been going on?
Hope this flops, there's an oversaturation of club football at the minute, this is pointless tournament born out of greed by fifa.
Barcelona and Liverpool being in it is far better for them financially and in terms of competition than Benfica and Salzburg, and at least better in terms of competition than Juventus.
The problem I have with the "winners of the CL qualify" alongside a limit of clubs per nation is precisely that we've ended up with three teams from USA and four teams from Brazil, but couldn't find room for some of Europe's best sides based on a daft restriction of "just two clubs".
Edit: I've just realised that Inter Miami have qualified as "hosts" because they topped the MLS league phase but didn't actually win the recognised league title, and were basically just given entry because Messi plays for them. The whole thing's a farce.
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I'd much rather see the latter in the competition.
I am pretty sure a lot of the Fans of the more unknown clubs would love to attend.
However, note sure how welcome fans from Tunesia, Egypt, Marocco or even Mexico feel at the moment in the US.
It is certainly a risk, even in Germany a lot of people are hesitating right now to travel to the US.
However, note sure how welcome fans from Tunesia, Egypt, Marocco or even Mexico feel at the moment in the US.
It is certainly a risk, even in Germany a lot of people are hesitating right now to travel to the US.