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FIFA Packs/Loot Crates and Gambling
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
You're confusing fifa packs with weapon skins on other games.
But at least with those you can actually have something that holds its value and that you can recoup or even make money from. With FIFA every penny you put in you will never see again.
I got banned from trading in fut and it's the best thing that ever happened to me.
The scripting in he game has gotten so out of control that is is barely playable
The scripting in he game has gotten so out of control that is is barely playable
Yeah I’ve won division 1 probably 20-30 times. Don’t really care about any trophy.
People used to sell FIFA coins and players for actual money, but I don't know if that is still the case. The fact is the money you put in definitely goes out of the window by the time the next FIFA comes out.
On the other hand, a lot of other games where you make purchases, the items are basically marketable forever (there are some exceptions and rules, depending on what game we are talking about). You can get the value back from items by selling them, there is even a chance something becomes a lot more expensive in time and you make a nice profit.
But anyway, FIFA is a pay-to-win game and I was so confused that they even made e-sports tournaments about it, when a lot of the game revolves around RNG and scripted scenarios. That's why games like CS:GO, Dota 2 and League of Legends will be kings in my eyes when it comes to actual professional gaming. The levels of proper skill are just on a different scale.
I thought this last time I had a game, and my player was waiting to receive a cleared ball on the wing and I was wanting to put it back in, but Fifa decided to make him do a quick step out of the way animation to let the ball go out. If there was money on the line you'd be fuming at Fifa deciding what to do with the ball.
Just boycott EA. Simple. I can't stand them and havent bought one of their games for almost a decade now.
They will continue to use lootboxes because the masses still buy their games and a decent percentage of players will buy the lootboxes despite complaining about them.
They will continue to use lootboxes because the masses still buy their games and a decent percentage of players will buy the lootboxes despite complaining about them.
This is why I actually support a outright ban on them. Unfortunately the whales will continue to fork out considerable amounts of money on them thereby dignifying their existence.
If they were just banned EA and others would be forced to go back to the old strategy of actually making good games people want to play to generate profits.
Long live CDPR.
Can confirm this is the case for my son and his friends. Aided by a zillion “how to” videos on youtube. This thread has confirmed my fears. He’s been asking if he can preorder FIFA 2020 because of some sort of UT deal they’re offering. Time for a chat about why all this crap is gambling by another name.
That’s easier said than done. They basically have a monopoly on football games as PES can’t compete and is worse online. It’s not like a COD situation, where you have 10 other shooters to choose from if you don’t like Activision. If anyone wants to play a football game there’s only one real option every year.
What did you exactly do that they banned you?
There's no need to buy Fifa every year though. It's not like they change the game each time with lots of new features etc. It's practically the same game over and over. I never really understood the need to buy it every year like a lot of people do though. I don't play them much either to be fair.
Traded players between 2 of my accounts.
Yeah, that's what i'm saying. It's piss easy, so what's the point?
I have always maintained that if you know how to use the tactics options and have a modicum of knowledge on how to build a side, then it is possible too get a decent side that can win against any side made up of TOTW, TOTY, TOTS cards with not too much effort after the first month. Everyone goes mental when the first sets of special cards come out and the original gold cards bottom out in value, there are so many good players to be picked up there.
No better feeling than twatting one of those sides made up of ridiculous cards with a bog standard all gold team.
No better feeling than twatting one of those sides made up of ridiculous cards with a bog standard all gold team.
But it’s not piss easy because of the game mode. It’s because most players are on UT. But people don’t need to be on UT. It’s a catch 22. But if people just decided to stop continue giving money to EA and just play Seasons. But the real problem isn’t how easy Seasons is, it’s that people want that shiny new player.
I haven’t played FUT since FIFA ‘13 but as I recall I played matches and tried to win tournaments and played random players online which earned me coins which I could either use in the transfer market or to buy packs.
Is that no longer the case? Do you have to spend real money now?
Still the same mate but those who spend real money are deemed to have a superior advantage, as they're opening more packs because of real money.
The issue isn't that they're making the game pay to win. I don't think there's an issue if people could spend £XX amount of cash and get a Ronaldo.
It's the fact that they're monetising an addiction (gambling). The entire way the whole packs thing is set up is to hook people (mostly teenagers). The special edition/time limited packs are especially aimed at doing that.
It's the fact that they're monetising an addiction (gambling). The entire way the whole packs thing is set up is to hook people (mostly teenagers). The special edition/time limited packs are especially aimed at doing that.
Modern games suck. I grew up playing games that once you bought it there was no need to ever pay again. Nowadays its all about getting crystals, gems, paying constantly, to just make the game possible. The worst is the Settlers type games where you practically have to wait until you die just to build a house, unless you get a speedup crystal. They've got too greedy.
I remember years ago, I started playing FUT. It was so goddamn boring, because it was impossible to get good players, without paying for them or spending an inhumane amount of time on it. So I stopped and never tried it again. The idea in itself is actually quite good, but obviously EA turned it into gambling and is ripping of as many kids as possible. The game should not be sold to kids and anybody buying any coins should have to verify their age, for every single purchase. Otherwise it should be illegal.
The same goes obviously for any games or apps that operate in similar fashion.
The same goes obviously for any games or apps that operate in similar fashion.
Yeah it would be a pretty good mode if they had to abolish Fifa points.
Obviously they have scaled the amount of coins and rewards you can earn from matches/tournaments/drafts to give kids a massive incentive to pay for points rather than just building up a coin balance through play.
It's a mode that could so easily be redeemed, but it won't be.
FIFA is terrible. Don’t understand the people that solely play this and nothing else.
Ultimate team is basically casino style gambling. The chances of getting the best players is really slim and the way they market it is really enticing for kids.
They will redeem it, if they have to. But as long as they can get kids addicted and rip them off, they'll continue to do so. It's not like these people have any sort of conscience.
I love playing football games. And I really hate it, if they don't feature the real names, leagues and so on. There is no other product that is even remotely close to this. So there is either playing FIFA, or nothing at all. Which sucks. They have a monopoly on these games. That's the issue here.
You don't have too no. There is a concern though that the benefits of spending have been buffed up too much. It was a perfectly viable strategy up until around FIFA 15 I would say. After that they went hardcore on OP cards and items. To me it just represents another challenge when playing that game mode, but it ruins the casual aspect of just being able to play a few games, get some coins, improve your team slightly. There used to be quite good offline tournaments to get coins/packs as well that seem to have evaporated.
Basketball with slot machines, pinball prizes and spin to win wheel and two shitheads acting like it's the most fun thing in the world....
This isn't gambling though. No way.
This isn't gambling though. No way.
Nice, I'm always getting trapped in div 5. Losing to crap players 90% of the time.
Try and use the rub button a lot less and control the pace of the game. I’ve found 9/10 games I win by just being patient. Only have to play at my best with a few (very few) tricks to unlock the best defensive players out there.
Thing is I'm really good at the game. It's just I'm always up against op players and almost every goal they score on me is either a corner or a rebound goal. I maybe concede 10 goals per fifa from open play and players actually being good. Meanwhile all my goals are from open play with no rebound goals as I'm not that lucky and suck at corners. Hope they invented tackling this fifa 20 or I'm gonna be pissed ha
Haha. Yeah FIFA’s scripting can be a little pain in the ass. I’m still playing 18, I think I’m going to give 20 a skip too. At least till the time I don’t find games online. Don’t think they’ve changed enough to justify an upgrade.
To be fair I'm kinda looking forward to 20 simply because they added FIFA street to it, which I really like. And new looking managers and customisation and more little interviews with a bit of dept in the Career mode. Already better then the last 4 fifas which were pretty much the exact same. I'm gonna put about €50 in UT and after that I'm just gonna grind. Feck that if they are getting a penny more. I went nuts on UT'18. Spent 400 quid. Really regret it
. But hey at least I got CR7I love playing like that and playing against players who play like that. The way they have the ball sticking to their feet and just turning on a dime and patient probing till they get an opening. I find it very difficult to play like that though, partly because its a little difficult to cont to play patient without trying for a more aggresive move and partly because I am not as good at keeping the ball at players feet, although I am good at keeping the ball by passing. Thats actually why I like 19 more than 18 because the hardest players to play are those kind of players. And I love defending against those kind of players, feels like a true challenge. Whereas the players who play by trying to score with every shot from outside the box cuz they have Ronaldo 99 or Pele 99, I just dont care for them.
I had gotten the beta and I must say I liked it Volta quite a bit. It was a little too difficult to score cuz the goal was smaller and shots would go a little too random but still good fun.To be fair I'm kinda looking forward to 20 simply because they added FIFA street to it, which I really like. And new looking managers and customisation and more little interviews with a bit of dept in the Career mode. Already better then the last 4 fifas which were pretty much the exact same. I'm gonna put about €50 in UT and after that I'm just gonna grind. Feck that if they are getting a penny more. I went nuts on UT'18. Spent 400 quid. Really regret it
That NBA trailer with actual basketball players (I assume, therefore worth fecking millions) opening packs and cheering like little children is particularly cringe. Ban this shit.
Yup. Nothing better than coming up against a player who wants to play football instead of just using Real Madrid and abusing Ronaldos shooting stats. Though I’ve found most people who play with RM rage quit when I score my 3rd goal. It’s hilarious. I win 80% of my wins through rage quits.
It’s a joke for a game that costs £60 in the first place. I used to spend money on Fifa around 6 years ago, but even then it was easier to buy points and get the actual players you wanted. Sure, I’d stick a tenner on after a few beers with mates and waste it, but I’m the same with actual betting, I can take it or leave it no problem.
I didn’t even touch Ultimate Team the last 3 years, just played seasons online. Now I don’t even play/buy it any more, mainly due to lack of time. But even if I did have time I’d just play Football Manager.
I didn’t even touch Ultimate Team the last 3 years, just played seasons online. Now I don’t even play/buy it any more, mainly due to lack of time. But even if I did have time I’d just play Football Manager.
That is why I stopped buying the game few years back. I get absolutely destroyed in Overwatch, Csgo, and Company of heroes. Yet I never get frustrated and try to understand what the other guy did better because I know I lost because the other guy better than me. But FIFA is just some random shit happening that you can't do anything about. No point in playing a game in which the skill gap is reduced so much by AI and randomness.
Should definitely be some sort of ban or at least restrictions. Think the odds of getting stuff should be shown as well and explained properly so kids can understand. E.g in FIFA, should say 0.00001% chance of getting Ronaldo/Messi (This means you need to open 1 million packs on average to get him etc'.
I tend to avoid online games altogether these days. Sometimes you get the odd game that isn't full of micro-transaction, loot crate, gambling bullshit but they're becoming increasingly rare in AAA games.
Last FIFA I had was 16 I think and that's only because it came with the PS4. Before then it was FIFA 12. I just don't bother with them any more because they're basically the same game with minor gameplay updates (that people always seem to hate) and graphical improvements. In an ideal world there will just be a FIFA game every 3 years or so with automatic squad updates every season with patches to tweak gameplay, but obviously that's not going to print money.
There used to be a point where I actually spent money on packs and I'm so glad it didn't get any worse than that. What EA (and some other gaming companies) are doing is despicable and I hope they'll ban this predatory gambling shit soon.
Last FIFA I had was 16 I think and that's only because it came with the PS4. Before then it was FIFA 12. I just don't bother with them any more because they're basically the same game with minor gameplay updates (that people always seem to hate) and graphical improvements. In an ideal world there will just be a FIFA game every 3 years or so with automatic squad updates every season with patches to tweak gameplay, but obviously that's not going to print money.
There used to be a point where I actually spent money on packs and I'm so glad it didn't get any worse than that. What EA (and some other gaming companies) are doing is despicable and I hope they'll ban this predatory gambling shit soon.