They worked their arses off in the first half but decided they couldn't be bothered after half time. That's what you think?
Fitness
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Do people really need to be told that fitness effects decision making and how players perform beyond their running about? This is getting silly. It’s a major component to the whole process. It’s not enough alone - no one is suggesting that. But you’re going no where without it.
Nonesens post. In Klopp's first season they had a shitload of muscular injuries. Style change takes time.
I remember being impressed with Southampton pressing the shit out of us in Potches first game. It can happen faster than people think. But it also depends on the players you got too.
They dropped a stinker once De Gea made a mistake. This happens almost every game now.
There's absolutely no reason a team of professional footballers can't put effort 90 minutes a match. Fitness, style, etc. These don't cut for me all honestly.
If you were actually racing two 10km a week I would agree with you.
But these are young professionals who struggle to cover much more than 10km in 90+ minutes with a 15 minutes break in between.
And they were still pressing the hell out of their opponents week in week out even with all these injuries.
We have the full team now and can't even press a full 90 minutes.
We're not changing the style at all, we'rs still as shite as they were first half of the season.
People just like excuses even though deep down they know it's false and will be shown false next season when we saw the same lethargic attitude and this post will look funny as hell.
And anyway, they were playing under a manager previously known for valuing work rate x10 more than technical abilities so there's no reason this team was built to be that lethargic and that Mourinho or Ole are fine with this shite.
In fairness, we're gonna be knackered what with all the mountains we're climbing under Ole 
Im surprised managers of nationals teams havent commented on our players fitness levels
If they care so little why did they bother in the first place? You are not making any sense.
They're lazy.
High press can happen overnight.
The issue in our case is that this team got used to slacking about for 3-4 seasons.
The fitness is almost there, but the natural instinct to press isn't.
The issue in our case is that this team got used to slacking about for 3-4 seasons.
The fitness is almost there, but the natural instinct to press isn't.
What? Lukuku was huffing and puffing after 27 minutes! I fell over laughing. He does look a lot trimmer and showing in his slightly improved touch. But my god between him and a couple others, the fitness is lacking. It's not that they're all haunched over, it's the set of mistakes and lack of aggression. That's one of Ashley Youngs biggest issues I think, he's just knackered walking out onto the pitch even
I'm astounded that our fitness is so bad for a supposedly big club with modern facilities.
I can deal with excuses like players and tactics being crap, but being constantly outrun by our opponents is just embarrassing. Being fit for purpose is the bare minimum for any sort of modern athlete.
We look like we give these players a cigarette and a few pints after each training session.
I can deal with excuses like players and tactics being crap, but being constantly outrun by our opponents is just embarrassing. Being fit for purpose is the bare minimum for any sort of modern athlete.
We look like we give these players a cigarette and a few pints after each training session.
I hope we'll start preseason early and we definitely should since there is no summer tournament for most of the squad.
Maybe. If the players believe in the manager and he can motivate them, they'll run through brick walls. If the ship isn't a happy one and there's no belief in the man in charge, well, you know what you'll get.
I don't agree with this fitness crap but happy to stand corrected if I am wrong .
Are we saying players can't improve their fitness im 5 months? How did Klopp implement this in his first season?
I know Rodgers already had them playing a high pressing game and so the change wasn't too big still wondering how he did that.
Are we saying players can't improve their fitness im 5 months? How did Klopp implement this in his first season?
I know Rodgers already had them playing a high pressing game and so the change wasn't too big still wondering how he did that.
I have to say, I find it incredible that professional athletes (many of whom earn more in a week than most of us will earn in a year) have a problem with fitness. This is definitely a low for United if the team aren't fit.
Looking at De Gea I'd say there is also a problem with mental fitness.
Looking at De Gea I'd say there is also a problem with mental fitness.
They saunter around as they are not fit enough to run for the 90 minutes. Some maybe using it to get the season over and move on, but not them all.
Well yeah, he's 34 years old, playing 40 matches in a season, of course he fecking knackered. No amount of fitness workouts is going to change that. The fact that he's our first option at RB is criminal.
We need massive summer. First of all, we need new players before start of preseason becasue what's the point of bring some players one or two week before start of the EPL. That will be very very important things this summer and second of all, we need get rid off lazy players and pump every player who wants to play for United with fitness. This season we are one of the most lazy teams in the EPL and that's abysmal. We need massive fitness preparation for the next season. I really hope so that Ole knows how to prepere the team.
Unsuccessfully. They finished 8th
Funnily enough we're very similar to how they were then, gassed at 30 minutes after a good start.
Klopp joined Liverpool in the October, although they reached the EL final, they finished 8th in the PL, losing 8 times under Klopp. He had a mixed bag of results, some impressive ones. They looked done fitness wise after 60/70 minutes in some games. It took them a while to adjust. As you allude to, a high press wasn’t unfamiliar, to the players, but they still struggled. Their injury list, although they had injuries under BR, it went through the roof, soon after Klopp arrived. They won 1 of their last 5 league games, but focus, I guess was on the EL.
Klopp plays differently now. OGS high press and formations will be similar to Brendon Rodgers Liverpool, judging by what we’ve seen so far, and the few times OGS, has mentioned style of play, in interviews.
They actually struggled for a while, they used to gas by 60 minutes then sit back and try to counter. Only really the last 15 months have they become what they are now.
Pretty much. We need to give Ole a chance to rectify this before making any judgments on him. I'm optimistic for next season.
He understands that slow motion zombie football just doesn't work for this club. At this club you should be able to play 90 minutes with good tempo every single game. Hopefully a good preseason and a mixture of signings, sales and youth promotion can make this a reality in the near future.
People don't get it. It would be fine if we're actually playing a different style and taking time to adjust. Problem there's not even any style implanted on the pitch to claim we're changing to it. We're still playing as shite and without any identity as we used to be. You can take today's match and compare it to any match from the previous 5 years and I bet you'll struggle to find any difference.
Lukaku has turned into a tub of lard - he looked exhausted after one run. Sourness picked on it after the match but we saw this before when Rooney put on weight. Neville tried to defend United’s monitoring methods but there has to be questions raised about why it has happened twice to such high profile players.
That being noted Ander continually ran box to box and the other players looked reasonably fit. Why they faded in the 2nd half came down to poor quality, the lack of leadership and the absence of guile - not so much fitness.
That being noted Ander continually ran box to box and the other players looked reasonably fit. Why they faded in the 2nd half came down to poor quality, the lack of leadership and the absence of guile - not so much fitness.
The long run with the ball he did within the first 20 minutes, he was gassed and Neville couldn't contain his laughter on commentary.
How did the coaches miss this flaw - makes me wonder what they do in training.
They can't chain him to a treadmill. It's the after-effects of the previous regime (who at least let him away with it) and his own personal neglect.
There is a definite fitness problem in the squad these player hadn't pressed for 2.5 years and doesn't appear to have the capability of pressing for 90 mins.
We should also not be a team relying solely on fitness. The cohesion in our football is very bad and it doesn't matter what happens with our fitness if players is under coached tactically.
We should also not be a team relying solely on fitness. The cohesion in our football is very bad and it doesn't matter what happens with our fitness if players is under coached tactically.
Rooney at times would be overweight. I do feel Fergie at the end of his tenure was more lax with the players because he trusted them so much.
Pique said this when he left
Then we had the players crying when Moyes banned chips. I think the whole club needs a reset including the sports scientist. We the only top club who seem to have this problem of not running.
I couldn't believe that.
The camera zoomed up on him afterwards,I think we had a corner,and he looked shattered.
Fitness is one of the major priorities in the summer.I cant believe how big some of our players are.
I remember it taking ages for Liverpool to get their fitness up. They used to fade badly in the latter third of games, in fact they would pretty reliably drop points in this section because the players just couldn’t maintain the intensity. It’s only the last season and a bit that they’ve ironed that out. It’s taken 3 years and 6 transfer windows - it’s not a quick process by any means.
I'd expect them to be able to keep moving. Tiredness will typically manifest in terms of quality. As players tire, decision making suffers, general execution suffers, sloppiness creeps in. There's been a marked drop off in the second half of recent games in their quality.
Missed this earlier. So it's hardly a non-issue if they're discussing it openly.
Lukaku,physically,looked well managed at Everton. Why the heck are we having trouble with him in that regard here where the diets for these players is supposedly better prepared ?
Can only go by pictures, but Lukaku really did look leaner at Everton.
We certainly were the better team in the first half against both Chelsea and City. Completely dropped off in the second in both matches.