Technically sound but powder puff. Just drifts out the game
Florian Wirtz | Coming good any day now | Täglich grüßt das Murmeltier
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In the latest edition of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) discuss the absolute VAR shambles that lead to us losing the Manchester Derby.
But is it all on the VAR room? How much blame can be placed on Carrick and the players?
They also preview the 2 matches before the International Break and update on the struggles at MUWomen.
I’ve had a few Germany games on in the background throughout the World Cup and have no idea if he was in the team. I think that does sum him up.
Answering to the question of talent with g/a is somewhere between utterly droll and idiotic.
He is a creative midfielder. If he was very talented then he would've gotten more goals and assists. Instead, he ghosts through games vs any decent opposition.
No. He would do that if he was very good. Not the same thing.
Smicer is a very worryingly apt comparison.
So what has he shown for you lot that would make you think he's very talented, then? Because at Leverkusen, where he built his reputation for being very talented, his numbers were great.
I have seen plenty evidence that his technical ability, creativity and how he sees the game is top notch.
Its not his talent, or supposed lack of it, that’s the issue with him.
Really? Obviously you watch your side much more than I do, but he's looked weak, a little cowardly and unproductive so far to me. He's talented in the way that most playing professional football are but I've not seen much at Liverpool to intimate he's much beyond an average pl player.
If he had mettle, proper mentality, and were a little stronger physically, hed be a top player.
I suppose both could be remedied. And we don’t know how much of his issue was everyone’s issue. Slot.
But theres nothing about him that makes me think think he lacks the ability, except maybe his weakass shooting.
Takes more than talent to make it in the PL though.
Really interesting that in the eyes of Liverpool fans slot carries the can for last season, alone. He had nothing to do with the transfers that left the squad unbalanced, he is not the reason Salah and VVD fell off a cliff, Konate was not on him, and the unfortunate Jota also not on him. He was a large part of it, but getting rid of him isn’t like waving a magic wand. Be interesting to see who you lot blame this season if the team isn’t challenging again.
He had everything to do with our lacking fitness, lack of cohesiveness and lily livered mentality. Like you under amorim we’d have been better off without a manager and a group of senior players organising training tactics and team selection. He’s the reason Ekitike and szoboslai were literally the only players you could say had a good season.
Getting rid of him is waving a magic wand. Its hard to overstate how much negative impact he had on us last season.
He reminds me of Havertz when he was 20 in his first season in the prem.
Both things can be true. Slot was abysmal, but he wasn’t the only issue. A lot of your recruitment was weird (a dwarf wing back to replace TAA?!). I rate Iraola but looking at your squad, there’s loads to do. Still need a new right back, at least one centre half, probably two, a centre mid and at least one wide player, possibly another forward too. Most of those need to be first team quality.
You had a great team under Klopp, but the world class players from it have now either left or aged out. It’s a massive rebuild. Said at the time that your 2025 title win felt like Fergie’s last in 2013; the last hurrah of an ageing team.
To bring it back to topic, Wirtz reminds me of someone like Hleb. Nest and tidy and occasionally aesthetically pleasing, but utterly lightweight and broadly ineffective.
Hleb was probably a better dribbler than Wirtz.
I think Wirtz has shown he can pick out passes, and execute them, better than anyone else in the squad. And has a speed of thought and awareness around him that should have helped adapt well to the pace and narrower spaces of the PL.
He doesn't seem to know how to get into games that are passing him by though. A bit Foden-like in that sense. I think a proper system can salvage some parts of his game, but ultimately he needs to find the same kind of fire in the belly someone like De Bruyne had, to go at games and make things happen regardless of what happens around him. Maybe a good manager can help him find it, but there needs to something there to ignite.
So would I
It’s a complete lack of personality. You look at de Bruyne and Bruno, the two best creative attacking mids of recent years, they impose themselves on games. Constantly looking to get on the ball, always looking to make things happen. Wirtz is just kinda there.
As a United fan, it is reminiscent of Kagawa and Sancho’s first seasons. You think there’s something there but you’re constantly urging them to go and impose themselves. After another 6 months of it, you realise it’s just never going to happen and they’re a lukewarm bowl of meh.
So how is this absolute no-show Slot’s fault…?
I trully expected quite a lot more from him, he looked quite focus and determined in his Leverkusen days and an overall game that have many aspects covered, yet he has been mostly tidy and indeed even when on bad form, lacking at least some anger in him, or even agisnt himself.
PD: Regarding De Bruyne, like the whole Belgium last gen (bar Courtois) fire in the belly wasn't his best asset either, but I get that at least in his style many times, let tidy aside and tried quite more than what Wirtz has shown so far.
The point about personality is probably right. I’m probably doing a disservice to Veron but he has reminded me of him at times (Veron’s creativity was way better). Just looks either lost or does some tidy play and shows nice technique here and there, but where is the quality, the dynamism, the character? He’s offering a lot of nothing really.
he’d be lucky to get thatThey should just stop playing with number 10s. Go three in the middle.
Something ain’t right with Musiala and Wirtz is useless.
Something ain’t right with Musiala and Wirtz is useless.
So was Raven Morrison. Imaging him ahead of Scholes and Keane. Truly the stuff of dreams.
Be nice to the kid! He's playing on the LW after all. How can we expect him to contribute when he's not surrounded by 10 superstar teammates?!
I obviously don’t watch as many Liverpool games as you but this is what I’ve felt about him when I’ve watched games… doesn’t give you the feeling of someone who’s thinking “right, this isn’t going well, I’m going to do something… I’m going to demand the ball.. I’m going to get us in this game”. Couple of mates in work who are Liverpool fans say similar.
Not comparing ability, but has a bit of DvdB to him… let’s games drift by him, doesn’t demand the ball, doesn’t get stuck in (which I realise sounds a bit simplistic but sometimes you’ve got to do the physical stuff and start showing opposition you’re up for it too). Doesn’t show mental toughness.
He’s so bad. Nowhere near an 100m+ player
He can can an assist and goal the winner if he likes, the point remains the same. I thought he was supposed to be a playmaker, where everything goes through him? He is shit.
He reminds me of Sancho so much. Neat, tidy, skilful and almost completely pointless.
He is going to be playing that Kroupi Jr role just off the striker for Liverpool next season and he is going to be really good at it. Finding space and running into space to receive the ball. He works hard and will fit in really well there.
A lot of these players that “go wrong” so so because they spend years of their careers under coaches who don’t know how to utilize their best qualities. I think he is going to have a really good season.
A lot of these players that “go wrong” so so because they spend years of their careers under coaches who don’t know how to utilize their best qualities. I think he is going to have a really good season.
It was an awful pass, directly into the feet of an oppsing player, who then fumbled it and let it roll to Havertz. Still, down it goes as an assist to Wirtz. Since he plays for Liverpool, nobody will notice that it was a horrible, amateurish play and instead it'll go down as an assist in the WC knockout stages. You will never see it mentioned in any other context than "Wirtz assisted a goal in the RO16 of the WC." That will be shouted from the mountaintops by the English media. Then he'll have another twenty consecutive games where he is absolutely terrible, and they'll say nothing at all. Meanwhile, any slight misstep of a United player will be the talk of the week for how they might be a flop who was never any good.
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How about the perfect pass to Havertz's head for an easy chance, that he missed?
Raven Morrison was one of Vince Noir’s mates from The Mighty Boosh right?
Agreed. He has a good technical level but he's very passive anytime I watch him. I'm not seeing a player who will live up to his fee.
And again.
Agree with people that says that he reminds them of Kagawa and is not playing with main player character. Question is if he was just mentally not there but that could change if he suddenly again sees himself as the one to win the game the way Bruno etc does.
Was badly missed tonight, Germany could have done with his creativity.
He was their best player.
He can have the window seat on the plane home
How he escapes scrutiny is remarkable. Needs to be investigated
The German Sancho. That’s who he is, at least he is not an unprofessional sh!t so there’s that.