Now created more big chances than Bayindir 
Shades of Sancho.He is very Donny.
Lightweight, slow over distance, no real snap to his game. Tidy in certain moments but where is the rest.
WIrtz is so very much a million times better than Donny vd BeekHe is very Donny.
Lightweight, slow over distance, no real snap to his game. Tidy in certain moments but where is the rest.

This current version of Wirtz? Not so sure. He's maybe hiding a bit less, but the outcome is pretty much the same - a whole lot of nothingWIrtz is so very much a million times better than Donny vd Beek
And I don't even massively rate Wirtz.

I went with a friend who’s a Spurs fan (… I know), and saw Liverpool last week. Wirtz looked annoyingly good and if he actually finds some form I’ll be the first to be fecked off
Best player on the pitch yet again.
Despite playing out of position.Best player on the pitch yet again.
Is that his first or second goal? I thought he scored the other day.
Phwoar2 assists (if you count the shot that lead to the OG an assist) and now his first goal thus far in the Prem
Wirtz: Is utterly dogshit for 20 games
Wirtz: Finally scores a goal
Leverkusen and Liverpool fans: HAH TAKE THAT MAN UTD FANS! EAT MUD!
This reminds me when everyone got super hyped when Kagawa scored that hattrick only for him to not develop further from that. Only, Kagawa cost literally 1/10th of what Wirtz did.
You make it sound like wirtz has regularly been the best player on the pitch when hes been wank all seasonBest player on the pitch yet again.
Best player on the pitch yet again.
This is true, but some imports start off slowly and get good after a while, and some start off slowly and never get good, at least not as good as expected.An alternative version is that a (very expensive) new signing takes a few months to settle in a dysfunctional team, then ends up making all the rival fans who said HAHAHA!! HE’S ABSOLUTELY SHITE AND HE’LL ALWAYS BE SHITE!! look a bit stupid, all in a single season.
It’s mad the way so many football fans seem incapable of remembering the many many examples of new signings who don’t immediately hit the ground running but end up looking the real deal after a season or two to settle. It’s like they’re incapable of learning.
Wirtz: Is utterly dogshit for 20 games
This is true, but some imports start off slowly and get good after a while, and some start off slowly and never get good, at least not as good as expected.
I don't think anyone looks stupid yet (to use your terms), because Wirtz hasn't actually done anything of note yet. Maybe he will become one of the best players in the Premier league (which is the expected level, given his reputation and price tag) and maybe he will be a busted flush after a season or two. We just don't know at this stage.
That’s precisely my point. I think I’ve made maybe two posts in this thread. Making exactly that point. It’s obviously good fun when rivals spunk a load of cash on a player and he doesn’t perform, for as long as he isn’t performing. And I’ve no issue with that at all. It’s the many posts from experts in this thread about why he’s clearly doomed to always be a flop for Liverpool that seem pretty stupid. To me anyway.
The idea that you can have a good game without scoring a goal genuinely seems to go over many people's heads
"Again" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. He was alright vs Spurs, but not the best player on the pitch.You make it sound like wirtz has regularly been the best player on the pitch when hes been wank all season
I never thought he'd be a complete flop. I think that he'll be a decent player but never the Balon D'or winning candidate that many people here thought he would be.
I've stated he has physicality problems, which I've stated in this thread and it seemed that Liverpool FC agreed given that they've publically announced he's going through a rigorous gym routine to essentially bulk up.
But my point is that it's pretty ironic to say, "You're all wrong!" because he's had basically scored a goal against the 20th team in the league.
@Zehner you're right, but it's obvious I was generalising and embelishing my point, but I've seen some games with him in where he genuinely looked like Tom Cleverly and that isn't an exaggeration.
But nobody did that?
Plus, I don't think anybody had problems with reasonable takes like the one you just described. I don't agree with you but can see where you're coming from.
Wirtz said that he chose Liverpool and the EPL because he wanted to umptove physically way before his first training session by the way.
