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Florian Wirtz | Der Fußballgott | Der Fluch ist gebrochen!
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I think everyone in this forum is aware that a footballer can have a good game without scoring a goal. You can even have a great game without a goal contribution, let alone just a goal. However, Wirtz has not had very many good games thus far, especially when contrated with the expectations for his performances.
I'd score against Wolves, but good on him - definitely repaying that price tag.
I think that post was ironic. And even if it wasn't ironic, what are the other comments like that you are referring to?
I love Bernardo Silva, by the way, and think he was better than lots of players who achieved higher Ballon d'Or rankings than him. Still think Wirtz will turn out a better player, though, but it's a pointless debate in here.
Fair play to him for matching Dorgu's PL goal tally.
I'd be very happy with David Silva levels.
People really want Writz to be a flop but I really doubt it. He has excellent foundations, he's 22 and he has played significant minutes this season and he has started to look like he's understanding the pace of the game better. His quality was never in question imo. I'd say Isak has a higher chance of flopping with his injury record.
I agree with you. Liverpool just tried too much in the summer. Keeping their stars while getting a bunch of new ones in at once always meant that there would be a lot of settling in woes. More than I expected and Wirtz definitely looked much worse than I believed he would, but still all of their signings are victims of these circumstances.
Some (Ekitike) dealt with that reasonably well, others (Wirtz, Isak) much worse then they should have... maybe the Isak injury and the AFCON absentees now allow the team to settle a bit and maybe we will see Wirtz on an upward trajectory due to that.
Kind of feels like his "make or break" period now for me.
It depends how you define “flop”. He’s obviously got talent, as funny as it has been to laugh at him, and he’s not going to be some dreadful dud for them, but…
He cost £120m give or take. A British transfer record. Even being “very good” is not enough to avoid the “flop” tag for that fee. Mac Allister is a good player. Szobzslai is a good player. Gravenberch is a good player. But if Wirtz is only gets to their levels, he’ll still be viewed as a flop, at least in some quarters.
Like it or not, fair or not, the fee sets the expectation. This is even more so the case at United and Liverpool, by far the biggest clubs in the country. Anything less than de Bruyne, Scholes, Toure, Gerrard, Lampard levels of attacking midfield play will be viewed as a disappointment for the price.
Exactly this. For instance, Bale was by most accounts a big success at RM, but he was compared to Ronaldo because that was always going to be the case, but also because he actually cost more. A high price tag will always be a heavy burden unless you consistently deliver to prove any doubters wrong.
I get what you're saying, but time is firmly on his side. He's 22. That's extremely young and if he has 4 or 5 world class seasons from the time he's 27 until he's 31, that would be quite something. All he needs to do is stay fit and keep adapting. Injuries are the biggest obstacle in this kind of transfer if the player has quality.
But once labelled a flop, the tag is very hard to shake. He hasn’t got 5 years of average to good.
Would be very surprised if he reached Bernardo Silva level in this league, criminally underrated player who’s been outstanding for City.
Wirtz has flop written all over him for me. He’s not a bad player, just don’t think it’ll work out in the premier league for him and it’ll always be a struggle because of the price tag. Even forgetting the price they paid, I still don’t think it’ll work out. Think he will get some goals and assists in this Liverpool team but my genuine prediction is that he isn’t playing in the premier league in three seasons, possibly even two.
Never got to play under him but he looks more suited to Klopps style of play than Slot.
He might not even be at Liverpool by the time he's 27. That would be 5 years. Not many foreign players stay that long at club in England. Can see him heading back to Germany at Bayen in a few years and becoming that big fish in a small pond once again.
Absolute ass against Leeds at home. This guy is a bum
Shockingly poor performance from him today.
No one on commentary drawing attention to his awful performance today. Nothing more than "Gakpo on for Wirtz".
Why are so many so desperate to defend him? He's just not very good in the premier league. We know Bundesliga is shite quality which has proven more than enough times now. It’s ok to just accept the best players from that league look average in the prem.
Well done he'll score now
Even wrapped up on the bench he's got about the same chance as he did on the pitch.
Before translating it properly on Google, I mentally translated the threat title to:
The flush is broken
Which gave me the image of Liverpool trying to flush him down the shitter and even the flush not working properly
The flush is broken
Which gave me the image of Liverpool trying to flush him down the shitter and even the flush not working properly
Alot of the journalists have been very weird about him, and I can only assume it's because they have said and written before with much smugness that he will be fantastic for Liverpool, and just don't want to admit that they were wrong.
It’s exactly that. They were all waxing lyrical about how wonderful he was and what a great signing he’d be, how he’d light up the league…
And he’s been absolutely bang average at best. They’re still in denial and it’ll take a while before they’ll reluctantly wipe that egg from their face. Might not even happen before he joins Dortmund on a loan with a £30m option in about 18-24 months time.
The pundits on USA are ripping into him.
Yeah I think it's that entirely. Many of them built him up as being the next great talent of a generation and they don't want to acknowledge the egg on their face.
If you dont rate him, you don't know ball. Apparently.
They’re mostly German posters
He’s worth perhaps half of the ridiculous money they paid for him. Not his fault.
18 PL games. 1 goal. 1 assist.
They would be no worse off keeping Harvey Elliott.
They would be no worse off keeping Harvey Elliott.
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It's got to be the pressure getting to him, because one minute he's capable of fantastic close control and the next minute in an threatening position, he's got a foot like a trampoline.
I think serious questions about his mentality have to be asked, because watching him makes no sense sometimes from a technical/decision making perspective.
I think serious questions about his mentality have to be asked, because watching him makes no sense sometimes from a technical/decision making perspective.
Not even that, from what I've seen. His performance yesterday was one of the worst I've ever seen in the Premier League. He continually lost the ball, despite often making cowardly decision to play low risk passes.
Diogo Dalot: 16 games, 1 goal, 2 assists.
Patrick Dorgu: 17 games, 1 goal, 2 assists.
Ayden Heaven: 7 games, 0 goals, 1 assist.
You play Heaven in an AM role, I bet he gets you 2-3 G and 3-4A in 18 games.
Kylian Mbappe:
18 league games, 18 goals, 4 assists.
But, y'know, Wirtz is better because he does more on the pitch. Or something.
It’s pretty common for the German defence league to get sensitive when players from the farmers league repeatedly fail in the prem. Then they’ll desperately try to pull up some exceptions like Haaland to validate the mountain high pile of players who completely flop. You only have to watch highlights of the Bundesliga games to see how poor the league is. I’d fancy myself to get a few goals up top.