That’s hyperbole. He’s looked a lot better lately, but he’s not suddenly peak de Bruyne.
Bruno is still a vastly better player.
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Bruno is still a vastly better player.
Yeah, it looks like he’s getting there. It’s taking time and the start was a catastrophe, but he’s starting to look like the player I was disappointed to miss out on.
German midfielders? Definitely.
Imagine a Dirk Kuyt born in Gelsenkirchen.
You already have the superior version of Wirtz in former England international Jamal Musiala.
That tepid shot of his that was blocked 
just put your foot through it man. He reminds me of Kagawa as he treats big moments like it's 5-a-side.
I will give him credit for getting straight back up after that nasty foul from Bernardo Silva near the end. He's not as soft as I thought. Had he milked that, I think VAR would have intervened and sent Bernardo Silva off. I guess the adrenaline of pushing for a late equaliser took over.
just put your foot through it man. He reminds me of Kagawa as he treats big moments like it's 5-a-side.I will give him credit for getting straight back up after that nasty foul from Bernardo Silva near the end. He's not as soft as I thought. Had he milked that, I think VAR would have intervened and sent Bernardo Silva off. I guess the adrenaline of pushing for a late equaliser took over.
Only caught the very end of the game, luckily for me, but was he absolutely anonymous against competent opposition once again?
He was awful except for one half decent long through ball in the first half. Created nothing else and was largely anonymous
Very ineffectual in my opinion. I've seen games where he gave away the ball more, but in the end he just didn't offer much going forward. Kind of coasted through the game.
Not a great game today but then again it was a very cagey match overall, not a lot of great performances from attackers on both sides. Not horrible but not great.
Odd player, and ever odder that he's getting cut so much slack for player that cost £116 million.
For that he should be one of the best in the league very quickly, and be getting called out when he's clearly not.
For that he should be one of the best in the league very quickly, and be getting called out when he's clearly not.
It’s bizarre how quickly the press and pundits seem to praise any half decent showing but ignore his regular anonymity. Personally think it’s just confirmation bias in that all and sundry had decided he was going to be brilliant before a ball was kicked.
I just point to Bruno’s performances, his numbers, his consistency and say “see that? That’s what I expect from a £120m attacking midfielder”
The media seem desperate for this lad to be world class and were hugely over rating his last few appearances!
Pundits purr about him yet his output and performances are that of a player whose value is south of £30 million.
Missed a golden opportunity today.
Pundits purr about him yet his output and performances are that of a player whose value is south of £30 million.
Missed a golden opportunity today.
Everything will be looked at from the eye of the lense that he should be a world class player so everything good that he does may seem like it's otherworldly when someone else might be able to do it. He made a great pass to Ekitike in the game but that could've been done by someone much worse as well in a game.
In the end, for him to justify the fee he needs to come up with the numbers and consistency to back it up, also Liverpool need to win a few trophies as well.
It's this all day long, I can't think of any other explantion at this point.
The guy is ok sometimes, maybe even very good every now and again, but so what. Woltemade has scored 3 more than Wirtz and cost about 50 million less, yet he's get loads of stick from the media right now.
Same for Isak. Crazy money, poor performance yet no pressure from the media
Plays for Liverpool and not united, he would be rinsed if he was in a united shirt
Awfully quiet in here once again.
He is not as bad as at the start of the season, but he is still lacking in the tougher games. He has adapted now to the teams lower ranked in the table, but is quite anonymous and inefficient against the better sides.
Will be interesting to see him under a new manager and a PL season under his belt. He is definitely underwhelming so far, however, i wouldn't write him off yet. The expectation is to be one of the best players in the league, which he isnt anywhere near yet.
Will be interesting to see him under a new manager and a PL season under his belt. He is definitely underwhelming so far, however, i wouldn't write him off yet. The expectation is to be one of the best players in the league, which he isnt anywhere near yet.
Didn't think it was a cagey match at all, there was all sorts of space available (in the first half especially), but both teams were too sloppy/shit to take advantage. A prime Liverpool would've clobbered this City side 5-0, and a prime City would've smashed this Liverpool side 2-1. He seems like a nice guy, but the purring pre-match seemed a little embarrassing and desperate.
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Cagey match? City play a high line giving alot of space.. When you pay 130m for a player, you expect him to stand up in these games..
100% this. He could play a game where he poses no threat, but mostly finds his teammates and it would be praised as some sort of brilliant playmaking performance, when in reality that could just as easily have been delivered by someone costing £25m rather than £200m. In fact I think that's just about what Liverpool paid for Lallana (of course when prices in general were lower), and I'm not seeing Wirtz do more than him. There just a bit of confirmation bias with Wirtz in the media - he cost a lot of money, so surely he must be brilliant.
For most of the season he's looked a fairly neat and tidy player, capable of a nice moment here and there but nothing particularly amazing.
Which would be fine if he wasn't bought at absolutely huge expense with everyone talking about what an incredible world class player he is. That chance he had 2nd half when he had a really weak nothing shot instead of putting any power behind it sums him up so far I think.
Which would be fine if he wasn't bought at absolutely huge expense with everyone talking about what an incredible world class player he is. That chance he had 2nd half when he had a really weak nothing shot instead of putting any power behind it sums him up so far I think.
Saying this... I watched the Newcastle first half and I kid you not... he played a swich of play from the left to Salah on the right... the commentators went "What a pass" but it was infront of Salah and went for a throw in...
A simple pass he makes and commentators make it seem like he has played a pass that only he can make.
I think he's impairing the team. Put Slobozlai in his position and you get far more grit, determination, penetration, speed, physicality and arguably better playmaking abilities. Wirtz looks a little lost. Watching him, you think his technique is class, but then players get near him, and he constantly loses the ball, misplaces passes etc. He reminds me of futsal players in that they have incredible close control for a specific tempo, but up the tempo and put some real physicality into the mix, and he's average at best. Look at little Bernardo in comparison; he turns much more quickly, keeps the ball, protects the ball, weighs his passes perfectly, finds teammates, works his socks off, goes into tackles... Sure, Wirtz can improve, but atm he's not good enough for a top 8 finish in the league, and I really do mean that. For the price, he should be one of the best in his position already, and he's not close to it - not even in his own team.
There's so much hyperbole with that Liverpool team. Allisson made a long range pass to play his teammates through on the counter; he hit a City player, but the commentator went "he's world class at distribution in those scenarios" - like hell he was - only the City player headed to a Pool player, but it was a wasteful and poor attempt. Normally, I would agree that Allisson is pretty good at those, but at least keep the commentary a little unbiased.
Drury in particular seems to have a hard on for Wirtz
I thought he was in great form.
He reminds me of Sancho in his first couple of seasons.
There are moments when he looks class but inconsequential for most of the game (s).
Agree about the media stone walling. If you compare it to what Hojlund was getting in his first season where they were demanding that he should perform at the same level as Haaland because the transfer fee is similar.
There are moments when he looks class but inconsequential for most of the game (s).
Agree about the media stone walling. If you compare it to what Hojlund was getting in his first season where they were demanding that he should perform at the same level as Haaland because the transfer fee is similar.
Smash them 2-2?
joke about City struggling to get a good result at Pool no matter how much better they actually perform on the day.
Might have worked better if City actually dropped points yesterday though.
fair enough, I overcooked it. I'll change it to 2-1 and pretend not to know what you're talking about.
Controls the ball and takes a shot which hits the post. Joe Cole: "He is master technician. There's not many players in Europe with that quality".
I'm starting think the overegging of his ability is an elaborate prank that everyone is in on.
I'm starting think the overegging of his ability is an elaborate prank that everyone is in on.
I was extremely confused and assumed he was watching a different incident. It was an extremely basic first touch that I would expect literally every player in the league to execute every single time. It’s gaslighting at this point.
I can only assume when you play for Liverpool it's written into the contract that you have to become a mindless cheerleader for life.
Meanwhile our former players seem hell bent on taking the piss out of every player and manager who steps through the door.
He is looking much better to be fair, but until he starts delivering against teams like City and Arsenal etc. then he will never justify that price tag.
Although I doubt he will get anywhere near as much pressure from the media as someone like Pogba for example.
Although I doubt he will get anywhere near as much pressure from the media as someone like Pogba for example.
Can't be worse than Ally McCoist last night. Zirkzee header goes past the post, but Soucek was stood next to the post who mystically made it go past the post because he was already MOTM.
Almost Zidane-like, according to Steven Gerrard.
Good grief