Florian Wirtz | Der Fußballgott | Der Fluch ist gebrochen!

I think its the only way they can see of replacing Salah's influence / contributions in the long run.

Your not gonna find a new Salah, that happens by accident.
Salah is a player Klopp didn’t even want the club to buy I believe.

One of the transfer guys previously at Liverpool has done some really good analysis on looking at attributes that give a player the best chance of success.

With all the due diligence in the world, there’s still a significant (circa 25% chance) players will fail.
 
The wages haven’t been reported by a single reliable outlet, only some random twitter handle. The journalist known to be the most reliable for Pool’s news puts the latest bid as £100m+£13m in addons.

I don’t see him as being a balon d’or potential level of player.
356k £ per week (22m € per year) have been reported by Bild, and it's unlikely he would sign for less as Bayern reportedly offered even more.
 
Helped massively by that ludicrous Coutinho sale, so they could be net spend heroes.
He did but their net spend was lower than the other competing clubs. It seems like they are now willing to not balance the books as much in that respect. That's what I meant by it.
The net spend was lower, but give or take most seasons LFC spend about 60 after sales. Due to being more selective some years they spend little at all, and some years they will spend more. Last summer lfc spent nothing, so based around the 60, they'll spend about 120 net this year, but i suspect diaz and nunez might make it much less.
 
Klopp spent big on Van Dijk, Alisson, Fabinho, Salah, Keita, Jota, Diaz, Nunez.

It's such a myth that Klopp barely spent and made the most of a small budget.
Van Dijk, Alisson no doubt ("Coutinho Money"), Nunez, Diaz and Keita, kind of. The bolded ones, though, cost less than what West Ham paid for Max Kilman last summer. I think some are still underestimating the average spending of EPL clubs. Brighton paid more than a quarter billion on players and 200m net in one summer last year without even playing in UCL. West Ham spent 150m+ net in 22/23. For reference, German side Stuttgart played UCL last season and spent 80 gross and 8m net on player transfers.
 
356k £ per week (22m € per year) have been reported by Bild, and it's unlikely he would sign for less as Bayern reportedly offered even more.
Eye watering fee and wages.

With regards to the latter though, with Salah now on 400k and VVD 350k (new contracts) this is the deal you do with the devil. Everyone wants more.
 
Eye watering fee and wages.

With regards to the latter though, with Salah now on 400k and VVD 350k (new contracts) this is the deal you do with the devil. Everyone wants more.
Yeah but the guy is 22. Imagine having to extend that contract in three or four years when he's in his prime
 
And yet the British press are reporting a drastically lower fee. Typical :lol:
There's a weird desire the report every Liverpool deal as shrewd business, I'm not sure why. I get that if you're winning then expensive flops like Keita and Nunez are easier to ignore, but their fees don't get sensationalised in the same way.
 
There's a weird desire the report every Liverpool deal as shrewd business, I'm not sure why. I get that if you're winning then expensive flops like Keita and Nunez are easier to ignore, but their fees don't get sensationalised in the same way.
It is strange. I expect there is some commercial gain to be had in reporting negative news about the biggest club, though.
 
Yeah but the guy is 22. Imagine having to extend that contract in three or four years when he's in his prime
I kind of expect him to run his contract down and move to Barca or Real afterwards.
 
It is strange. I expect there is some commercial gain to be had in reporting negative news about the biggest club, though.
Yeah could be. I think it's difficult to shake established narratives as well, and the fact is we've been poor in the market in recent years. No doubt there's clicks to be had in the idea that we're wasting yet more money.

I don't get it with Liverpool though. All I can really think is they must be fans.
 
Yeah could be. I think it's difficult to shake established narratives as well, and the fact is we've been poor in the market in recent years. No doubt there's clicks to be had in the idea that we're wasting yet more money.

I don't get it with Liverpool though. All I can really think is they must be fans.
To call a €150m signing a bargain is essentially propaganda.
 
Eye watering fee and wages.

With regards to the latter though, with Salah now on 400k and VVD 350k (new contracts) this is the deal you do with the devil. Everyone wants more.
Yep. And unless Wirtz's trajectory doesn't show even a tiny bump there will be problems with these sort of superstar wages. What if he's outperformed by MacAllister or Szoboslai? He and Liverpool should be under enormous pressure to justify those figures.
 
Yeah could easily see it play out like that
Which is actually one of the reasons I’m not that upset we didn’t get him. He’s a little bit too expensive for my liking and there’s the „danger“ I just mentioned. Still would have loved him at Bayern, obviously.
 
Eye watering fee and wages.

With regards to the latter though, with Salah now on 400k and VVD 350k (new contracts) this is the deal you do with the devil. Everyone wants more.

Yeah but the guy is 22. Imagine having to extend that contract in three or four years when he's in his prime
isn't it fair to say VVD and Salah deserve their wages. the best in England? Like Haland and others.
theyve been successful and success gets them good monies.
Wirtz does similar and he'll be paid more if he so desires.

Utd on the otherhand have given many players vast wages and done nothing as you are aware. Its the same as when UTD were good, you paid the best.
 
Eye watering fee and wages.

With regards to the latter though, with Salah now on 400k and VVD 350k (new contracts) this is the deal you do with the devil. Everyone wants more.
Haven’t seen you post in a while! How you keeping?
 
Personally I'd argue the success rate is a bit higher than that but would depend what you consider a success. Bale and CR to Real were successes, Bellingham arguably, for me he was worth it for Real. The PSG transfers of Neymar and Mbappe I'd consider successes for elevating the club although I know the lack of CL will be used against them, they have the money that it was worth it to raise their profile. I consider Rice to Arsenal worth the money and so far looks like a success. Same with Kane to Bayern. Caicedo to Chelsea still might be worth it when all is said and done. So for me that's a success rate of about 35%. Not great of course but I think its better than 3/20 for what the club was looking for.
We aren’t miles apart in our assessment. I counted Bale to Real, Ronaldo to Real, Bellingham to Real all as successes. Rice and Caicedo as jury still out. Good players playing well but hard to say they were worth the nine figure fees. Neymar I see as a failure. He played well but didn’t come close to achieving what he was expected to. Mbappe is a difficult one, just in terms of the fee he cost 160m, set all sorts of individual scoring records but PSG only achieved what you’d expect them to achieve with their budget, as a minimum. He left for free, and after he did they improved and won big ears. So was he worth the 160m? Not really.

There are loads like that. Kane to Bayern, one BL in two years? They’d won about 10 in 11 before he came, so again, worth the massive fee? He’s one of several where you can say the player has been very good but didn’t really elevate the team to higher levels.
 
We aren’t miles apart in our assessment. I counted Bale to Real, Ronaldo to Real, Bellingham to Real all as successes. Rice and Caicedo as jury still out. Good players playing well but hard to say they were worth the nine figure fees. Neymar I see as a failure. He played well but didn’t come close to achieving what he was expected to. Mbappe is a difficult one, just in terms of the fee he cost 160m, set all sorts of individual scoring records but PSG only achieved what you’d expect them to achieve with their budget, as a minimum. He left for free, and after he did they improved and won big ears. So was he worth the 160m? Not really.

There are loads like that. Kane to Bayern, one BL in two years? They’d won about 10 in 11 before he came, so again, worth the massive fee? He’s one of several where you can say the player has been very good but didn’t really elevate the team to higher levels.
Haha, what?
 
356k £ per week (22m € per year) have been reported by Bild, and it's unlikely he would sign for less as Bayern reportedly offered even more.

City are paying Marmoush close to 300k a week, so I guess that's fair?
 
This thread is going to be hilarious in a year or two.

Liverpool will have 150m Wirtz, and Cherki at 30m will probably end up being the superstar of the league.
 
When considering the financial value of a deal - how much do you consider the marketing value of a player? I remember the famous quote by Florentino Pérez that he would rather sell the Bernabeu than Beckham back then.

This is not to compare the marketing value of Wirtz to the one of Beckham but just curious how you think it can or cannot change the equation?
I think it’s an important point to consider, I really do. The reason I haven’t commented on it much is beyond expanding the argument further a field into a more holistic understanding, complicated the debate significantly more. So for ease of digestion, I left it out. That said, it is definitely a consideration both directly and indirectly. Players have been signed for large fees that had an impact on not just the marketing but also the brand perception and fan engagement of their team and league. Just like Ronaldo for Juve.
 
Wirtz is great, but assuming he plays off the left teams will attack down that side with Kerkez/Wirtz as the left side. Frimpong at RB isn’t going to offer much defensively either.

If he’s playing at #10 and Slobo is dropped, I get it. Otherwise I think Liverpool could have used the 120m or whatever he fee ends up being better.
 
Sure they may be defensively suspect next season but they're even more likely going to create a shit-ton of chances too.

Annoyingly they have a well balanced squad.
 
This thread is going to be hilarious in a year or two.

Liverpool will have 150m Wirtz, and Cherki at 30m will probably end up being the superstar of the league.
If Cherki is probably the next Superstar then he would cost a lot more. I'm not saying that he can't be but it's more possibly than probably.
 
The risk of overpaying is always increasing with transfer fees, but even with very high fees you can make a bargain. Wirtz is THE player. All the Bayern fans wanted him two years ago, Bayern president was grooming his parents for years, TV experts say he is better than Musiala already. You also have to consider many germans chose the easy way, which is going to Bayern, so going to Liverpool, is actually a bold move by him and shows character, there are risks too, obviously, but might also usher in a golden age for Liverpool here.
 
He will be a stunning signing for Liverpool and by end of season amongst the best players in the league. Lad is definitely Real Madrid material. As much as I don't like Liverpool, I want to see him play in the PL. It's a coup for the league to get someone like him before his prime years.
I hope he flops.
 
I hope he flops.
+1

Considering how much Liverpool is allegedly willing to pay for him (Ornstein yesterday said it could be an EPL record transfer fee, let alone Liverpool one), there are only two possible outcomes:

1. He will either be a monumental flop, or
2. He will be as transformational on the left wing for them (and sometimes in the center) as Salah has been on the right.

Clearly, no United fan wants to see #2 materialize :)
 
+1

Considering how much Liverpool is allegedly willing to pay for him (Ornstein yesterday said it could be an EPL record transfer fee, let alone Liverpool one), there are only two possible outcomes:

1. He will either be a monumental flop, or
2. He will be as transformational on the left wing for them (and sometimes in the center) as Salah has been on the right.

Clearly, no United fan wants to see #2 materialize :)
Something in the middle seems far more likely. He ends up a very good player but not a transformational one on a Salah level, like a Phil Foden prior to whatever happened to him this year.
 
Something in the middle seems far more likely. He ends up a very good player but not a transformational one on a Salah level, like a Phil Foden prior to whatever happened to him this year.
Paying EPL record fee for non-transformational player will end up being a catastrophe. Have you met English press? Nobody is going to just let him be a "decent" player and forget they paid astronomical fee for him. That is not an option, mate
 
Paying EPL record fee for non-transformational player will end up being a catastrophe. Have you met English press? Nobody is going to just let him be a "decent" player and forget they paid astronomical fee for him. That is not an option, mate
I think you would be surprised, when it’s Liverpool involved. They signed Nunez for 85m and he’s been shocking, but the press are generally very favourable on him.
 
I think you would be surprised, when it’s Liverpool involved. They signed Nunez for 85m and he’s been shocking, but the press are generally very favourable on him.
Fair enough. They are always much bigger assholes to us and our players, than to scousers