What are the rumoured wages on this?
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Who else is bidding? Just walk away, if the player wants the move it'll happen by window end.
Ya this is turning into a crazy fee. Talented player but it’s rare these big money moves are worth it
€22m p.a. which is something line 360-375k pw.
Side note: do you really get weekly paychecks in the UK?
I wonder at what point they move on to another target.
100% agree with this. People underestimate average transfer spending and wages in the EPL.
Same as wages, United I believe is 4th in the league, we may have overspent on some players but we have one the lowest wages to turnover ratio.
All PL clubs spend a lot nowadays, and an average PL player now costs minimum £40m, a good one is £60m.
The vast majority of jobs are paid monthly. Footballers included.
I know they’ve had a few big transfers in the last few years, and they’ve won the league so are more than entitled to do so, but this doesn’t really feel like a Liverpool move.
Wirtz is obviously a mega talent and all the noise coming from fans and journalists alike are that he might well be the best to come out of the German league in who knows how long, but the list of 100m+ misses far outweighs the hits as of right now. Here’s hoping it continues in that fashion.
Wirtz is obviously a mega talent and all the noise coming from fans and journalists alike are that he might well be the best to come out of the German league in who knows how long, but the list of 100m+ misses far outweighs the hits as of right now. Here’s hoping it continues in that fashion.
Most big tranfer failures were relatively unproven players. Dembele, Felix, Enzo, Caicedo and Grealish signed for top clubs immediately after their breakthrough season. The rest of the flops are players who moved to a club in a crises or a coach who had no plan how to integrate the player (Griezmann). Plus Hazard who was ruined by injuries. None of that rely applies to Wirtz. He has proven his level isn't just a flash in the pan over years now, he moves to a club that has just won the EPL and the coach has a clear idea how to play him. And even if he injures himself, he's far younger than Hazard was and would have more than enough time to recover. Especially since came back from his ACL rupture better than he was before.
Quite high wages also.
Majority are monthly, some people dependent on their contract do get paid weekly.
For a long time the masses did. Can only imagine that reporting of footballer's wages in weekly terms started when nearly everyone else was getting paid each week and it sort of stuck. Nowadays people are mostly paid each month.
I'd theorise that football as a the working-class sport also could have played a part. It was the higher qualified, white collar professional type of person who was on monthly salaries first more often. Blue collar workers were later to switch in general, and they were once the backbone of a football club's supporter base so it would make sense to frame footballer's wages in the same way they were being paid for longer.
It's still the case that where you can find weekly pay now it's more likely to be in blue collar or service industry jobs.
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Wirtz is relatively unproven. He has, as of right now, done little in the champions league or for his national team. He has yet to prove that he can be the main guy for a top club.
They're right to reject the bid, they need a lot more considering ETH will waste a big part of it.
He was pretty decent in the Champions League this season while being great in the two Europa League before that
A similar transfer that came to mind was Benzema when he moved to Madrid after two great seasons at Lyon, but in a lesser league. He was regarded as immensely talented and had also shown snippets of his ability in the UCL the last seasons. He too went for a lot of money, at that time.
35M€ was a decent fee in 2009 but not quite close to what 150M€ would be now.
Of course. But all that still happened in Leverkusen, a few kilometres away from his home and family. And he has yet to play a champions league game that matters.
I think he will be a success. But I think it’s wrong to call him a proven player at this level. He just isn’t.
35m euros in 2009 is absolutely not comparable to 150m euros in 2025.
The same summer Kaka and Zlatan both went for 2x Benzema's price and Ronaldo for nearly 3x
Firstly it's 130m eur and secondly it would be quite close. Benzema's fee was 40m, after performances, for which Wirtz is 130m. The best players in the world at the time (Kaka, Zlatan) were going for 60-70m iirc, so i that sense the best players today, if we apply the same ratio of 2009 to 2025 as with Wirtz, would be close to 220m eur.
You could certainly imagine the best players today going for that much.
Ronaldo moved for 90M this exact summer.
Wasn't it the summer before? Regardless, it would be around 250 mil eur. How much do you think a team would pay for Yamal, Pedri, Vini? Neymar went for more than 200 almost a decade ago.
Applying a 90:40 ratio to 130 makes 290, and it's already charitable to consider Benzema to be 40 and the final fee of Wirtz to be 130.
In any case, Benzema was not even close to be one of the top 5 transfers in history like Wirtz's going to be. Potential prices of transfers that will never materialize are irrelevant, because in this case we could speculate about how much would have Messi gone for in 2009, and it's certainly much more than 90M€.
I happen to not be too concerned about this transfer myself as I believe it's value for money in the current market, but I just don't think this is comparable to Benzema.
£113m bid rejected
134m euros rejected.
He's not worth that.
Starting to to think that leverkusen is acting in bad faith.
Don't they realize that the next chapter if this falls through is Wirtz issuing a come and get me plea to bayern?
Don't they realize that the next chapter if this falls through is Wirtz issuing a come and get me plea to bayern?
Looks like they've set a price and are sticking to it? Who says they wouldn't do the same with Bayern?
He's not that kind of player.
I love they are holding this guy hostage, but 134m is insane money!
If Leverkusen and Liverpool don’t agree on a fee then I expect Wirtz to stay for one more season. He‘ll probably get increased wages and a release clause for next summer to „compensate“ him.
I like the idea of him arriving with the pressure of being the record British transfer.
I still think he’s class but it’s the glimmer of hope for a flop that keeps me going.
I still think he’s class but it’s the glimmer of hope for a flop that keeps me going.
I wonder if we’ve misread the room here. It’s not like we desperately need him so at this point I would do a take it or leave it bid and walk.
Are more teams bidding for him? If not maybe Liverpool should walk away and wait for him to run out his contract or something like that.
That summer changed things though. A super fee wasn't completely new (with Buffon and I think Zidane), but it really did feel like Real agreeing to Ronaldo, and considering those other transfers, that instead of the usual inflation, prices doubled. Then later with Bale, but also 100m or something for Neymar (later other super young players) to Barcelona. To an extent Pogba felt like an outlier and Neymar/Mbappe for a collective 400m, did too, but with a bit more of that PSG factor and them wanting to show how big their thingies downstairs were (I mean the bulge in their pants showing a very thick wallet and such). Kinda like how buying that Nintendo suddenly doesn't seem so unreasonable when you move from a student job to a fulltime one, but for most people just that smartphone and laptop is already an expense crazy enough for the foreseeable future, you know?
But 2009, that was the iPhone. You had some cool flip phones and blackberrys already, and idk a Sony Ericsson, but all of a sudden it became normal to get an 800 euro phone. Perhaps you'd spread your payments over 12 or 24 months, but it's gotten strange really fast to not have a smartphone ever since. (It's crazy how it's almost exactly the same time both our own lives saw a huge expense becoming normalized at the same time as the Ronaldo/Pogba/Felix/etc transfers did.
Wirtz is still a bit of an "are you sure?" factor, but for one of the biggest talents, it's a very accepted risk. If it breaks that record, it will probably (hopefully for his mental health) help that there's been bigger transfers before him, still. It almost feels like a distant dream to remember that not long before that 2009 summer window, 36 million for Fernando Torres to Liverpool felt like a recognition for Atleti's former (it was not a good/successful time yet) glory and the talent we saw in the guy who never got the greatest numbers and consistencies, but was an iconic figure (that's why he was the teen captain, kinda like De Ligt at Ajax more recently) and "the kid" that symbolized some type of rebirth for Atleti. A rebirth incomplete until Simeone arrived and taught Atleti how to defend.
Makes you feel arrogant that it's not an uncommon thought since 2018 or so to want to move on from Simeone, because while people do forget the great attacking and creative games, it never seemed to last, while it also looked like a bad game after 7 good ones made Simeone move right back to the basics he introduced when he arrived, a more purely disciplined 4-4-2 and hope Suarez/Griezmann/Alvarez turns that 0-0 into a 1-0 (not that extreme and it lacks a lot of nuance and attention to detail and tactics overall, but Simeone's Atleti has their reputation for a reason, too).
and honestly he was very good various games, especially before one long term ankle injury and his fallouts with Simeone - I still miss that (also 80m but less blown up in the 2018 media) Lemar-Felix[-Correa] level of play, and how just being near Lemar and Felix made all Atleti players kinda look like peak midfielders for a bit. Now it's hard to imagine even for me that Felix is anything but overrated, though I still hope he gets back to and surpasses that level again.
Then again, the idea was to keep that Atleti core and add more and more skills and creativity to it, to be a formidable force that isn't just a huge wall to break through, but also one difficult to keep from breaking down your own. Some of those strings of games in 2020 or so it seemed to pay off, but it also shows why they kind of stopped that project.
It was a lot, but instead of the amount being insane on its own, it's more a part of the budget thing. And when the big buy is also a marketing treasure, like getting a Neymar, Mbappe, Messi, Felix or, if we dare to remember, 2016's Pogba, it's no longer ridiculous.
Bale was more expensive, but Ronaldo's transfer was bigger. Because he was the face of Summer 2009, the summer we got our first iPhone.
Good job Leverkusen. Just keep roping them in. Extract the absolute maximum.
Remember when there fans was saying they can’t compete with city’s spending. Yet there blowing over 100m on wirz. Also tried signing caicedo for the same amount
In fairness they spent nothing last summer.
While City spent about 350m in the last 6 months
Welcome to the real world!
Leverkusen doing God’s work here 
Leverkusen doing God’s work here
Erik having the last laugh by the looks of it.
Just getting enough money to get Onana and Anthony