Slow start but he will eventually get going. If Pool win the league I'm sure no one will be complaining.
Florian Wirtz | Der Fußballgott | Der Fluch ist gebrochen!
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I do think sometimes players need time, but what exactly is it he's going to get better at that's going to be a difference maker compared to now?
There's nothing he does, or did at Leverkusen, where you can think "if he just goes back to being good at that again it'll sort things" ...the main difference is less to do with what he's doing and more the change in demands at an actual big club where nearly every game is Vs a tough opponent.
It doesn't help that Slot's tactics are allowing every opponent to pick holes in the team, but the fee for him just seems bonkers. It makes it very difficult to drop him even though he's not offering enough to play
There's nothing he does, or did at Leverkusen, where you can think "if he just goes back to being good at that again it'll sort things" ...the main difference is less to do with what he's doing and more the change in demands at an actual big club where nearly every game is Vs a tough opponent.
It doesn't help that Slot's tactics are allowing every opponent to pick holes in the team, but the fee for him just seems bonkers. It makes it very difficult to drop him even though he's not offering enough to play
The pricetag will probably crush him.
Leave the Club World Cup alone!!!He’s had a bee in his bonnet since the Club World Cup
I think he's very talented but needing to be physically strong is an absolute requirement to make it here.
Every 10 that comes here needs to watch early 2010s David Silva. Being technically good isn't enough. He was one of the best 10s we've seen here because he could keep the ball under pressure in physical duels on top of his technique.
What I'm seeing now is similar to us with Kagawa. Talented player but so physically weak.
Wonder what Sourness has to say about his performances. If it was Pogba he’d be having a breakdown.
I just made the mistake of turning on talksport and they are still whining about Paul Pogba. It’s actually mental how insane the United impact is on a players PR career.
I think the person you’re thinking of is Austrian, not German
If the PL was the NBA of football, especially 1990s NBA, then everyone else should be like amateurs. The 1992 Dream Team crushed everyone else like amateurs. If the PL was the NBA of football, a team like Galatasaray should be the equivalent of a literal Sunday League team.
The best midfielder at ball retention and protection I've ever seen was Iniesta. He was a god at that.
Wirtz is young, he can get physically stronger with time and also better adjust to the tempo. Look at De Bruyne for Chelsea in the match below, losing the ball in nearly every duel.
And Neymar at Santos was light as a feather. Some people thought he was too light, but he made up for it by being fast, and most of all, insanely agile. Coaches even said he didn't even seem to have bones with how agile he was and how it was hard for him to get injured. He grew physically stronger in Europe, but the butchery of Ligue 1's defenders alongside his own lack of self-care ruined his body.
By the way, I remember people in this forum back in the 2015 CL final arguing that Neymar wouldn't make it in the PL and that he was only lucky to play with Messi and Suárez. People really tried to argue that Hazard was better on the basis of Hazard plays in the PL...
He's scoring his first goal against us, isn't he ?
Zidane and Riquelme were quite a lot better than him at that, Busquets too. Iniesta was like once Ardiles and with a bigger build Redondo were, players that have excellent composure, yet they are more dinamic and almost always on the move.
That's a good analysis.
Didn't you only just join in the Summer in order to counter Eurocentric views on the CWC?
Yes, but I like to take a look at old discussions sometimes.
He’s going to be their Antony 
Nasri also said it when he transferred from Marseille to Arsenal, he said he had to get stronger because the gap was significant between where he was at and what was needed to perform at the PL and CL
Has Wirtz and Isak doubles written all over it.
I don't think he is any better or more talented than Havertz or Sancho tbh. but the thing is, if you are 60-70m player, in BL you are likely to look like a 100m player. he's better than this, but they obviously overpaid.
I don’t really buy that physicality is the reason he was anonymous vs Galatasaray in the CL, playing in his best position.
Pretty sure most of this place will be complaining.
There are no guarantees of him working in this league anyway. Many a hyped talent have been shown their true level after moving here.
Most players going to a new league, especially when the differences are speed and physicality, coupled with a huge price tag struggle to hit the ground running.
If the team is winning then they get a pass, it’s only when things are going bad does everything get questioned.
2 lost games on the spin and the questions start to get asked…..personally I think he will adjust ok - I think the bigger problem will be fitting Isak into the team along with Salah, not sure they are going to complement each other.
However, Liverpool get such an easy pass in the media that nobody will dare say anything and then just start harping on about how great Klopp was anyway!
If the team is winning then they get a pass, it’s only when things are going bad does everything get questioned.
2 lost games on the spin and the questions start to get asked…..personally I think he will adjust ok - I think the bigger problem will be fitting Isak into the team along with Salah, not sure they are going to complement each other.
However, Liverpool get such an easy pass in the media that nobody will dare say anything and then just start harping on about how great Klopp was anyway!
Ideally you'd want your 100+m signing to not lose all their confidence after 6 games....
An issue that may arise if they aren’t winning is less and less time to try and integrate him or get him into games. Whilst things are going okay enough (winning), they can spare extra time and attention and dedicate it to new players trying to adjust, once it’s backs to the wall and everyone scrambling for their own form and synergy, those aforementioned players trying to get with the program can find themselves unwittingly ostracised in the pursuit of collective form.
Basically, all of this is just preamble if Liverpool start losing games with any frequency and things will compound for those not fitting in if they’re not careful.
If he can’t make an impact against us then when will he
Maybe he just isn’t.
It's always reasonable to throw three seasons out of the window based on a 1.5 month sample size in a new environment, isn't it?
His terrible backheel caused the counter attack which resulted in the penalty. It was a really poor piece of play.
Looked out of his depth last night and a total passenger. Worse, he's starting to seem scared when he's on the ball, overthinking everything. Most his actions are talking a half second too long. Will he eventually get up to speed?
I know that Schwarzenegger made some terrible movies but overall it wasn’t too bad .
I’m just saying it’s a possibility. Plenty of other players have looked great in the Bundesliga without being world class.
Even Nunez scored against us. If he doesn’t score or assist against us there’s no coming back from that embarrassment.
Is the media scrutiny going to heighten yet or is that only reserved for United players?
It’s starting to. Jamie Carragher had a go in his punditry last night.
So long as Liverpool are top two in the league they’ll escape media criticism. If they start sliding down into the EL spots then questions will start being asked, but they have so much credit in the bank that it’ll be seen as a blip and they’ll be back to normal soon.
I reckon he’ll be back to Germany in the summer.
I don’t see it ever working out for him in the EPL.
Bold call I know but Bayern would take him in a heart beat.
I don’t see it ever working out for him in the EPL.
Bold call I know but Bayern would take him in a heart beat.
Obviously a good player. Obviously needs time. Obviously if he was a united transfer for that amount, pundits would already call for his deportation and label him a vile immigrant corrupting the beautiful British invention.
I just feel those super technical midfielders don’t suit Liverpool for whatever reason, the culture from the Klopp days was hard running and it’s hard to change completely. Thiago was the same, although he had one very good season.
I remember them heavily defending Sancho too. Both have looked terrible in the PL.
Still early days but seems the pressure and scrutiny is getting to him, can only hope it continues.
Not a peep from them in here since 21st September.