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Florian Wirtz | Der Fußballgott | Der Fluch ist gebrochen!
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About time these lot got scammed
Thiago was excellent for us, so I wouldn't say he didn't suit. As with the rest of his career though, he was injured far, far too often.
This is Liverpool, so, unlikelyHopefully the start of an avalanche
Carragher was critical of him last night. Maybe because Liverpool aren't playing well as a whole, you cut him some slack. But if you get to Christmas and he's still underperforming, you would be very concerned.
Who's been comparing the PL to 90's NBA?
Yep.
We're all laughing, but we play them soon..
We all know what will happen... Wirtz running behind Bruno and Salah cuts it back to Wirtz who stands wide open in the middle of the box and scores.
Fixed that for you.
Hahah hopefully
Liverpool is playing really bad this season, the late winners papered over the cracks and problems. Not one player bar maybe Gravenberch looks really good at the moment. Wirtz again couldve had 2 assists yesterday if Isak and Bradley wouldve finished their chances. But again, doesnt fit the narrative that hes playing horrible and waaaay worse than the likes of Gakpo or Salah.
Too early for me but he’s got all the hallmarks of being a Sanchoesque flopper doodle.
I saw this coming. He's not going to be more than a bits and pieces player in the Premier League. He's neither a true winger, midfielder, nor striker. Flashy, but lacking the robustness to consistently hold off challenges. They will probably be unsure how to use him until they either give up trying or accept that he won't be a key player, so they shouldn't have paid that much for him in the first place.
There would be no room for him in our starting line up. 10 is blocked by Musiala, and he doesn't have the skill set to do what VK expects from Diaz and Olise on the wings. Only a proper bargain deal might do the trick. Otherwise, no Flopian for us.
He might be a good addition for Utd, though...
This little jibe doesn't even make sense.
He has actually created more chances than any other Premier League player in all competitions this season
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I thought he was Liverpool's best player last night. He looked the most likely to create something for them.
Apparently he has created the most chances in the Premier League too so far this season.
Apparently he has created the most chances in the Premier League too so far this season.
One poster somewhere in the last year or 1.5 years suggested he could finish his career as one of the best German players of all time.
The stat I read has him only creating 10, 12th place
I've litterally just seen that too!
I'd be interested to see a break down of what the chances created actually look like though as we have two players on the list!
Those stats for Wirtz probably include the corners he’s taken.
Well, he has 10 key passes in the PL this season - joint 9-11th for that stat in the league.
Must have padded that stat from those CL and cup games.
Likely yes. He's created zero big chances in the Premier League this season. 112 players have created at least one. 9 in the Liverpool squad alone.
If it was a Leverkusen fan, I’d be surprised they didn’t say he already was the greatest German footballer ever.
Bayern were lucky it fell through (and I wrote it here on this forum before the summer that so I'm not retconning). The signing of Wirtz would have been similar to Götze or Podolski.
Bayern naturally wants to buy the best German talents but sometimes it means Bayern pay too much for someone based on passport instead of facts.
For Podolski there were three better strikers in front namely Makaay, Luca Toni, Klose and there were better young strikers like Aguero on the market.
For Götze there were Ribery, Robben, Muller, Kroos in front and there were better young attacking players like Neymar on the market.
Buying the German hype might end up with scenarios like Podolski on a wing or Götze as a CF/false9 to shoehorn them in.
Wirtz is in my view a similar case. Overhyped next German saviour. Not necessarily bad but not as good as Musiala, Olise or Diaz. I'd rather buy Ademola Lookman who could play the Douglas Costa role well.
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A random post about Frimpong but two really good pieces of play there from Wirtz in any case. You can see the ability is there, it's about getting used to the new system.
I'd love to see those chances.
He's been really average, Salah has also been dog.
I'm sure they will both ignite their season on the 19th though.
He's been really average, Salah has also been dog.
I'm sure they will both ignite their season on the 19th though.
He is 63rd in the league in xAG so if he's creating a lot of chances they can't be very high quality ones.
Obviously.
No one has looked great so far for Liverpool bar Gravenberch, and there are some excellent players there.
Wirtz is at his best operating between the lines and finding space to use his creative passing, not muck in and get involved in constant duels and battles for possession.
Full backs can’t work in tandem and are being exposed, Salah isn’t scoring, Wirtz can’t get into games, Isak can’t get involved, Gakpo is ineffective, Konate looks lost etc…
Maybe it isn’t individual problems with almost every player, maybe it’s the managers system that is causing so many issues.
Maybe these are all good players and a Klopp inspired easy fixture run disguised the fact that the coach isn’t at that level?
Liverpool didn’t look convincing and lost their big games before Wirtz came along.
Wirtz is at his best operating between the lines and finding space to use his creative passing, not muck in and get involved in constant duels and battles for possession.
Full backs can’t work in tandem and are being exposed, Salah isn’t scoring, Wirtz can’t get into games, Isak can’t get involved, Gakpo is ineffective, Konate looks lost etc…
Maybe it isn’t individual problems with almost every player, maybe it’s the managers system that is causing so many issues.
Maybe these are all good players and a Klopp inspired easy fixture run disguised the fact that the coach isn’t at that level?
Liverpool didn’t look convincing and lost their big games before Wirtz came along.
He doesnt have the most key passes at Liverpool never mind the whole league. Gakpo has 11 he has 10
With 10 he is joint 14th most chances created, Wharton, Porro and Tonali are the same as him.
Here's the top 10
I don't think its a system issue, more about the opponent being slow and disorganized in midfield. On both of those sequences Wirtz is unchallenged, can look up to play a one two then move into a substantial pocket of space again completely unimpeded and then have a clear opportunity to hit a nice through ball. He's definitely got the quality to do that. But those situations just don't happen very often in the Premier League. You're not playing against 32 year old Mario Lemina, 34 year old Gundogan, and 5'5" Lucas Torreira in midfield and the other sides are more compact and better organized in transitions.
Its more of a case of bad play by the Galatasaray player. Wirtz should need to lift that over the players to get it through and Frimpong should have the pace to get there. Even if he does that its a fairly standard pass for an attacking midfielder with time and space
Instead he plays it on the floor and the Galatasaray player 42 starts to turn his back just as Wirtz plays the pass, which causes him then to be unable to block or intercept the pass and he sits down on the floor in a heap of failure instead.
Plus he's weak, easily bullied off the ball, dwelling on it too long and drifting out of games in a regular basis ATM. I really don't see where that poster is in getting Liverpool best player last night from. He was poor. Szoboszlai (sp?!) was better, ditto kerkez and probably gakpo minimum.He doesnt have the most key passes at Liverpool never mind the whole league. Gakpo has 11 he has 10
With 10 he is joint 14th most chances created, Wharton, Porro and Tonali are the same as him.
Here's the top 10
It does. You could do with some creativity in your attack. So why not consider a chance creation machine like him?
It would have been much worse this time, because of the financial strain that would have come with this transfer. Götze and Podolski didn't require us to break the Bank.
We owe Liverpool big time, for snatching up this Wonderkid before we could, and for selling us an indefinitely more useful player in Luis Diaz.
Think the only manager who has been able to make players like him really click on the prem has been Pep where he gets them dominating the game and in space with calm possession. Liverpool are big on the transitions this season and a bit chaotic, fast paced, end to end and that just doesn't suit guys like Wirtz in a physical league like the prem. Not too dissimilar from Sancho from that respect. Need more explosiveness and physicality to your game to stand out.
Another point is putting him in the midfield 3 behind a very attacking from 3 and very attacking full backs was never going to be balanced, loads of people said that in the summer so no surprise.
Another point is putting him in the midfield 3 behind a very attacking from 3 and very attacking full backs was never going to be balanced, loads of people said that in the summer so no surprise.