Florian Wirtz | Der Fußballgott

Mike Smalling said:
I’ll take your word for it. No article can convince me that Reus was ever a top 5 footballer in the world anyway.
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I think he's one of those players, who end up in the "what if" scenario. What if he didn't have all those injuries? I don't think I've seen a player with a injury list as long as his.

I never saw enough of him playing to make that judgement myself. Just going by what all the articles said.

Lets not forget Michael Owen won a balon Dor, so if it's the right season, at the right time anything is possible...
 
Posh Red said:
Danny Murphy’s ‘moment of the week’ was Florian Wirtz.

Why does coverage of LFC insist on being so nauseating?
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Sky were downplaying Liverpool's form because they're in a "transition season", they won the league and spent half a billion. There is a clear Liverpool bias in the media. Is what it is.
 
Sometimes it feels like people are afraid to say someone has been crap because they'll get quote tweeted in a couple of months when they come good but Wirtz has been poo. He can be poo now and great later and that's fine.
 
hasanejaz88 said:
5th highest g+a in the 13/14 season throughout Europe (all comps), behind Ronaldo, Ibra, Messi and Suarez, ahead of Bale and Lewa. Playing for a weaker Dortmund compared to the other guys ahead of him. 3rd best is debatable but not a ludicrous suggestion.
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To be fair, the claim wasn’t just that he was the third best, it’s that he was EASILY the third best and definitely would have been one of the three best players at the would cup as a minimum.

giorno said:
He was easily the 3rd best player in the world going into the world cup. He doesn't get injured, plays well in the WC - chances are he either wins POTT or at least places top 3 - he has pretty good chances at the BdO
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I was a big fan of Reus, but he was never head and shoulders above every other non-Messi/Ronaldo player on the planet.
 
You don't spend 110 million on a player for the future. That type of fee is for immediate success, ready to go.

He looks atrocious.

You know a player when you see one. Suarez etc you could tell there was quality there. I've seen nothing from this guy to justify that. Hell had he cost 30 million i would have been confused.
 
It may be that he is a good player but not good enough to adapt to the fast pace of the premier league. A bit like Veron. He also may be a player that needs a team to be built around him to play to his strengths and cover his weaknesses, which is not going to happen at the top level of the prem unless you are the next Messi.
 
surf said:
It may be that he is a good player but not good enough to adapt to the fast pace of the premier league. A bit like Veron. He also may be a player that needs a team to be built around him to play to his strengths and cover his weaknesses, which is not going to happen at the top level of the prem unless you are the next Messi.
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Like Veron it will be telling if he performs better in CL than PL.
 
For that money, you are simply not buying a cog in a machine. You are buying someone who you accept will operate outside constraints of system if things don't work out and win you games on his own. Wirtz simply isn't that.
 
stefan92 said:
Götze had to restart his career at PSV, that's a big drop in level, not so different to Kagawa.
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Because he didn’t give a shite. He was far more talented than Kagawa or Wirtz who both lack any and all cutting edge against Premier League defenses.
J2J said:
Funny I was thinking earlier how he reminds me of Kagawa, more so how people post compilations of his great first touches and "almost" moments in lieu of actual goals/assists.
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Right. He looks sleek while doing sweet feck all though doesn’t he. Aside from that haircut of course.
 
Big Ron’s Coat said:
Because he didn’t give a shite. He was far more talented than Kagawa or Wirtz who both lack any and all cutting edge against Premier League defenses.

Right. He looks sleek while doing sweet feck all though doesn’t he. Aside from that haircut of course.
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Götze had a metabolic disease. To claim he just didn’t give a shit, is a bit ignorant.

And he wasn’t far more talented than Wirtz. No idea where you get that from. I think most people who have seen both would have Wirtz as the more talented player between the two.
 
HTG said:
Götze had a metabolic disease. To claim he just didn’t give a shit, is a bit ignorant.

And he wasn’t far more talented than Wirtz. No idea where you get that from. I think most people who have seen both would have Wirtz as the more talented player between the two.
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Well documented that Götze favored a good time to the training pitch. And I question the judgement of anyone who watched him at Dortmund and thinks Wirtz is more talented.
 
HTG said:
Götze had a metabolic disease. To claim he just didn’t give a shit, is a bit ignorant.

And he wasn’t far more talented than Wirtz. No idea where you get that from. I think most people who have seen both would have Wirtz as the more talented player between the two.
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Not for me, Götze was outrageous when he broke through. Up there with Neymar as talent. Not sure if he was better than Wirtz, but he wowed me more, maybe his style just resonated better with me or created more hype
 
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German magazine "Spiegel" asked the same sort of question. Looking at the stats, it is determined that Wirtz' performances at Liverpool are not significantly worse than they were at Leverkusen. He has an 78% pass completion which is very good for a player in his position, and his "progressive pass" completion is as high as it was in Leverkusen. his "expected Assist to goal" is also similar. He also had a bit of bad luck when some brilliant moves from him, like his first ball contact against Chelsea for Salah, or his chip against Galatasaray for Isak did not lead to goals. On the other hand, Pool is very much looking for its line, after TAA left, Salahs stats just about halved. (0.14 Goals per match vs 0.53 last season; 0.29 assists per game vs 0.48; Half as many shots on goal, less actions in the box per game.
 
strongwalker said:
German magazine "Spiegel" asked the same sort of question. Looking at the stats, it is determined that Wirtz' performances at Liverpool are not significantly worse than they were at Leverkusen. He has an 78% pass completion which is very good for a player in his position, and his "progressive pass" completion is as high as it was in Leverkusen. his "expected Assist to goal" is also similar. He also had a bit of bad luck when some brilliant moves from him, like his first ball contact against Chelsea for Salah, or his chip against Galatasaray for Isak did not lead to goals. On the other hand, Pool is very much looking for its line, after TAA left, Salahs stats just about halved. (0.14 Goals per match vs 0.53 last season; 0.29 assists per game vs 0.48; Half as many shots on goal, less actions in the box per game.
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Man, I love how people are trying so hard to defend Wirtz to dig out some absolutely micofractional statistics to try and justify why actually he hasn't looked terrible.
 
strongwalker said:
German magazine "Spiegel" asked the same sort of question. Looking at the stats, it is determined that Wirtz' performances at Liverpool are not significantly worse than they were at Leverkusen. He has an 78% pass completion which is very good for a player in his position, and his "progressive pass" completion is as high as it was in Leverkusen. his "expected Assist to goal" is also similar. He also had a bit of bad luck when some brilliant moves from him, like his first ball contact against Chelsea for Salah, or his chip against Galatasaray for Isak did not lead to goals. On the other hand, Pool is very much looking for its line, after TAA left, Salahs stats just about halved. (0.14 Goals per match vs 0.53 last season; 0.29 assists per game vs 0.48; Half as many shots on goal, less actions in the box per game.
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Dress it up however you like but for the price tag and hype around him he’s been garbage, plain and simple.
 
strongwalker said:
German magazine "Spiegel" asked the same sort of question. Looking at the stats, it is determined that Wirtz' performances at Liverpool are not significantly worse than they were at Leverkusen. He has an 78% pass completion which is very good for a player in his position, and his "progressive pass" completion is as high as it was in Leverkusen. his "expected Assist to goal" is also similar. He also had a bit of bad luck when some brilliant moves from him, like his first ball contact against Chelsea for Salah, or his chip against Galatasaray for Isak did not lead to goals. On the other hand, Pool is very much looking for its line, after TAA left, Salahs stats just about halved. (0.14 Goals per match vs 0.53 last season; 0.29 assists per game vs 0.48; Half as many shots on goal, less actions in the box per game.
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If he was always a bit sh*t that is even better. Worried that it was just poor form!
 
AfonsoAlves said:
Man, I love how people are trying so hard to defend Wirtz to dig out some absolutely micofractional statistics to try and justify why actually he hasn't looked terrible.
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I think there also is a different point of view to this: He is doing the same stuff he did in Leverkusen, but Liverpool isn't Leverkusen and what made sense there doesn't necessarily make sense in Liverpool. Fits my perception that he looks kind of lost often, as if he isn't sure what the right move is with his new teammates.
 
MassVolto said:
Wasn't it around 80m something? This must be some kind of Mandela effect.
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You're probably confusing it with his switch to Arsenal from Chelsea, which was €75m. His switch from Leverkusen to Chelsea was €100m, however.
 
Big Ron’s Coat said:
Well documented that Götze favored a good time to the training pitch. And I question the judgement of anyone who watched him at Dortmund and thinks Wirtz is more talented.
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What? There were questions about his fitness level when his disease wasnt known yet, but (at least in germany) there were never any reports about him partying or something.

And as someone who watched both pretty closely when they broke through I think that Wirtz is the more talented one.
 
This thread has convinced me he's going to score and have an amazing game against United.
 
I think wirtz will probably decide who finishes 5th between Liverpool and Manchester United
 
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