I'm not trying to be vague or disingenuous. The questions you pose are not yes and no questions.
That's an interesting question, actually.
They are there to play football. They can't even wear an armband if they're banned. These players had nothing to do with the corrupt feck faces that sold this competition to Qatar 12 years ago, they've had as much word in it as we have. They are sportspeople who's entire horizon often doesn't exceed their own sport. This is the main event of their life (for many a once in a lifetime opportunity) and they've already had it basically ruined by the corrupt feck faces by any reasonable standard (Qatar being Qatar). Now you're asking them to sit out the possibly deciding match, and if they don't it was all just a "token gesture". Do you donate your entire income or does you not doing so make any donation you have ever made a "token gesture" to be ridiculed?
You'll forgive me if I have absolutely zero respect for people who believe this should be my fate.
But FIFA’s LGBT armband is probably sponsored by Budweiser, and so they wouldn’t want that advertising income to be threatened by a rival non-corporate LGBT armband
Would you invite an openly gay person into your home?
True and I would love it. I'm just saying on a human level I have a understanding for someone who works towards a goal for much of his life not to have that possibly taken (say in a 3rd game decider) because otherwise he isn't "committed enough".
And what do you think then? I had same-sex 'relations' last week - would you support me being punished for that, if it came to it? And what punishment would be appropriate? A slap on the wrist? A bit of a beating? Some amputation? Death? Don't tell me what could hypothetically happen under laws of others - tell me where you would stand and where the line would be between 'acceptable punishment' and 'too far'.
You don't say...
The only thing relevant in this World Cup forum is Qatar - there are several Christian churches in Doha
It’s how your posts regularly come across and I believe it’s the source of some of the frustration posters on here feel when engaging with you on these topics.
Thank you, that is considerably less ambiguous, although the bolded could probably still do with further clarification.
Has there been harsher punishments announced? A yellow card for wearing a pride armband is a very small price to pay.
Are you ok?
Look, in general I don't really have anything against the players playing the WC in Qatar - as you say, it's often the main event they've worked towards their whole life. Fine. But then don't talk about supporting equal rights and acting like you're going to be strong and take a stance, only to buckle under the first bit of pressure. Plus, I wouldn't solely blame Kane, or any player. More the FAs.
It is not. It's the second highest to pay next to a red.
There are many different Islamic teachings. But I think it's exhibitionism that is punishable. It's not as straightforward as the bible, that says in Leviticus 20:13.
What if he starts snogging Steve Holland
The managers and coaching staff of these teams walk out of the tunnel and put their armbands on. They aren't going on the pitch are they. If they book or send them of FIFA will look even worse if that is actually possible.
It’s not worth it, mate. It’s best if we just move on, discuss the main core arguments, you Snapchat me some of the pictures from our meet up last week, and we go about our day.
It also shows they don't really believe in anything (what a surprise, when we have ZERO gay players out of the closet in Europe top leagues). They were just using it as a publicity stunt for themselves. Apparently the publicity was worth some money, but not worth one meaningless yellow card....
Yeah I hope so too. Kane was saying he would before this, so let's see.
Yes I’m aware of the standard traditional “orthodox” approaches to the issue, and the history and process of the formation and execution of Islamic law generally. Just looking to clarify that particular poster’s approach to the issue as without clarity people are left to assume things on his behalf.
A joint statement has been released confirming they won't wear the One Love armbands.
I used to practice my tennis swings against a brick wall as a kid. It feels natural to me.
Right. As long as doing so only results in paying an insignificant fine.
Next time I'll get some photos for you
I've thought the same the last few weeks, but the ambiguity and condescension was getting too frustrating.
Well not really but it would have been an easy way around this nonsense and brought a lot of attention to the fact that Qatar really didn't want these arm bands worn, which would shine a light on their attitudes for the whole world to see.
Clown show