Foreign secretary advice to LGBT fans.... Be respectful

[Dumbstar]

He's a mufti of Islam but coming out with emotion and personal jibes instead of thought out Islamic dogma.

Why is he calling Qatar "displaying true Islam in it's glorious image"? Qatar continues to go against Allah's words in other aspects which renders it a non Islamic state but there's no mention of condemnation.

The most important point the mufti should be making is the poor (Muslim and non Muslim) that could have done with the billions spent on one of the biggest vices in Islam - vanity/ego (not homosexuality). Virtue signalling by a scholar, bought out by the same ££££ signs as FIFA.

 

[Rood]

Charles Moore at the Tel wades in.

If Qatari fans dressed up in SS uniforms to watch a match on English soil how would we react?



https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/11/29/might-sunak-use-wealth-cut-national-debt/

I don't think many of the hundreds of thousands of football fans who have gone to Qatar are complaining, the vast majority are enjoying the World Cup

Is there any update about what happened to the 'crusaders'?

 

[Infra-red]

I don't think many of the hundreds of thousands of football fans who have gone to Qatar are complaining, the vast majority are enjoying the World Cup

Is there any update about what happened to the 'crusaders'?

There are 'crusaders' in Qatar?

 

[Rood]

There are 'crusaders' in Qatar?

https://metro.co.uk/2022/11/26/engl...fter-dressing-as-crusaders-in-qatar-17831635/

 

[Infra-red]

https://metro.co.uk/2022/11/26/engl...fter-dressing-as-crusaders-in-qatar-17831635/

Jesus Christ. And we wonder why everyone hates us and completely ignores our (often legitimate and well-meaning) human rights concerns. What a bellend.

 

[Rhyme Animal]

Jesus Christ. And we wonder why everyone hates us and completely ignores our (often legitimate and well-meaning) human rights concerns. What a bellend.

Tbf fans of many countries often act like fecking idiots during World Cups. It isn’t comparable with the behaviour of the actual government of the host nation.

It’s not as if the UK government has encouraged people to dress up like fecking idiots.

And the vast majority (or at least a good number) of English people will immediately call this type of thing out - including the British media itself (hence us reading about it and thus talking about it on here)…

If anything it’s blatant proof that our views on Human Rights aren’t hypocritical or biased.

We aren’t whatabouting pathetically for this idiot and performing laughable mental gymnastics to explain away what he’s doing as ‘part of his culture’.

 

[RacingClub]

We aren’t whatabouting pathetically for this idiot and performing laughable mental gymnastics to explain away what he’s doing as ‘part of his culture’.

Yup I'd be very surprised if anyone on this thread defended their actions ("It's just a month python reference" , "English fans have dressed as knights for every world cup, there's loads of evidence" etc etc) , in fact I think pretty much everyone thinks they are idiots.

I'm not English and personally I don't think they represent the vast majority of the English public or that their actions should be used as a reason to rubbish other English people's opinions but that's just me.

 

[sullydnl]

 

[RacingClub]

I would like this too

 

[Norman Brownbutter]

Is he... Is he saying that he would like other nations to ignore racism in our country???? John Barnes, a black man who knows first hand what racism in the game and in life is like in England. And hes advocating that people shut up about it because they are not from here??? When Rashford, Sancho and Saka missed the pens at the euros and people were racially abusing them for it, was John on Twitter telling the rest of the world to stop defending Rashford, Sancho and Saka and sort out their own countries first???? What a fecking idiot.

 

[Rhyme Animal]

great analogy John.

But then Barnesy’s been a long time apologist for disgraceful behaviour like when Suarez was racist…

 

[Semper Fudge]

Is this a satirical piece by Barnes? What utter stupidity if not. Of course any reasonable person would want that!

 

[moses]

Barnes has always overcomplicated these discussions when given the chance. He's not thick, he's just not as smart as he thinks he is so he over reaches and ends up nowhere.

The idea that anyone would object to black voices on racism is absurd.

 

[RacingClub]

The idea that anyone would object to black voices on racism is absurd.

Also I think anyone that did would be regarded as a troglodyte by the vast majority of people.

 

[moses]

Also I think anyone that did would be regarded as a troglodyte by the vast majority of people.

Barnes always ties himself in knots on this subject. Pre Suarez and Evra he was mostly ignored but that debacle encouraged him to weaponise his stupidity in defence of a racist.

 

[NotThatSoph]

Barnes has always overcomplicated these discussions when given the chance. He's not thick, he's just not as smart as he thinks he is so he over reaches and ends up nowhere.

The idea that anyone would object to black voices on racism is absurd.

Funnily enough I think a portion of those objecting to criticism of Qatar on the basis of LGBT+ rights would also object to black people talking about racism.

 

[moses]

Funnily enough I think a portion of those objecting to criticism of Qatar on the basis of LGBT+ rights would also object to black people talking about racism.

It crossed my mind but as @RacingClub said they would be immediately recognised as troglodytes. It would be hard to shut that down with a call for a deference to cultural norms.

 

[Sweet Square]

 

[Rhyme Animal]

Sportswashing and pay offs. I wonder how many other apologists in the sports media have been ‘sweetened’…

 

[sullydnl]

*sigh*

 

[VorZakone]

*sigh*

But didn't England also have political stances?

 

[DevilRed]

But didn't England also have political stances?

We dropped that right quick as soon as they threatened to yellow card us

We are fully focused

 

[Pintu]

Wenger isn’t entirely wrong unfortunately.

“while other players viewed it critically as a distraction”

 

[SilentWitness]

Absolute bollocks. They got knocked out because they weren’t good enough.

 

[sullydnl]

 

[sullydnl]

 

[Pintu]

Absolute bollocks. They got knocked out because they weren’t good enough.

They were good most of the game against Japan and still lost.. Not saying there is a correlation but if the stories about it being a non consensual issue you are true can’t totally exclude it influencing the team in that game…

This being said, Chapeau to the players (especially Neuer and Goretska) for at least making some sort of a stand.

 

[SilentWitness]

They were good most of the game against Japan and still lost.. Not saying there is a correlation but if the stories about it being a non consensual issue you can’t totally exclude it influencing the team in that game…

This being said, har off to the players (specially Neuer and Goretska) for at least making some sort of a stand.

Didn’t Spain lose against Japan too?

 

[Pintu]

Didn’t Spain lose against Japan too?

Japan played much better there though. Loosing to that Japan makes more sense than loosing to the one we saw in the first 60 minutes against Germany.

 

[SilentWitness]

Japan played much better there though. Loosing to that Japan makes more sense than loosing to the one we saw in the first 60 minutes against Germany.

Germany had plenty of chances to beat Japan, as did Spain. Neither did. They weren’t good enough on the day and were punished. To relate that to this stuff is nonsense and is also a discredit to Japan.

 

[sullydnl]

 

[sullydnl]

 

[The Firestarter]

Wenger doing his best to destroy his legacy, turning into a fifa shill

 

[Chesterlestreet]

Yes, he'd say that, wouldn't he?

Probably been given instructions by his boss, the former ginger turned bald migrant worker.

Old cnut, feck him and his rotten organization.

 

[Pintu]

Wenger doing his best to destroy his legacy, turning into a fifa shill

What legacy? Wasn't he involved with Arsenal sport washing of diverse Emirate and Chinese sponsors.

 

[Rhyme Animal]

Yes, he'd say that, wouldn't he?

Probably been given instructions by his boss, the former ginger turned bald migrant worker.

Old cnut, feck him and his rotten organization.

This.

Anyone who gives any credence to the utter nonsense he’s spouting here is a complete feckwit and / or closet homophobe.

Then again, Wenger wants a WC every 2 years and is a fifa shill, so what do you expect.

Be really interesting to see if the teams who go further in the tournament have anything to say when it’s done and they can’t be strong armed with bookings etc…