Different time, different manager for Butt and Phil Nev. Hasn’t got anywhere near the skill level as Scholes and where are you going with bringing his race into the discussion?
Fosu Mensah loan watch | Fulham 2018-19
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He's nowhere near good enough on the ball to play in midfield. If he makes it here, and its a big if for me, its in a position where he only has to look in one direction at a time and has space to move the ball out of his feet.
Really? I thought he played as a ball-playing centre back in Netherlands U-21,U-19 etc. teams? I think his technique is quite good and he is definitely not like Smalling on the ball. I agree with the comments that say "he should be a DM" as his most significant attribute (physicality - athleticism - strength) is much more suited to a defensive midfielder role. Maybe he needs to cut his rashness out and read the game better to play in that position but that will come with time. His passing is not a problem to play as a DM imo. He doesn't need to be Pirlo in his passing to be a DM anyway.
You'd see lots of the same criticisms everyone lays at Matic in his ability to split the lines.
Difference is he would not be as slow as Matic, and is a better tackler. He doesn't lack passing ability to play like Kante. He just needs more experience to play in the middle for his awareness to get better.
His attacking game is very poor. Won‘t hack it at fullback with that. Either at CB or at DM, but only as squad player for a big club or starter for a smaller club. Big clubs need their starting midfielders to have a good passing range and technical ability on the ball like Busquets etc
The best DM we had after Keane was Hargreaves. His passing was poor. He was very very good in reading the game, He tackles very well and he is very very quick. His job is to cover the CBs and to break up play and to give it to the creative midfield players. Mensah has that ability apart from reading the game. If he gets that part of his game then he can be DM at a top club.
Not as slow as travelling with the ball no, but at picking passes through the lines then yeah definitely.
Our counter attacks with Pereira in place are already much quicker, purely through range of passing.
Unfortunately I can't see him get chances at DM after they got Anguissa and Seri. They also have McDonald.
Why do some fans always over-rate our youngsters?
I know. Imagine getting excited about young players that come through the youth team. What a bunch of idiots.Why do some fans always over-rate our youngsters?
Can’t help but feel his issue with ball-watching is directly related to his lightening pace. When you’re that fast you can become innately reliant on your recovery speed. Huge issue someone like Bellerin has at RB too.
What a car crash of a post. Why is the color of scholes important? Or his height?
I agree with this, which is why he was never first choice in midfield and played his best football for the club on the right side of midfield or at right back. Top clubs cannot have a player so limited on the ball in midfield and Hargreaves was better on the ball than Fosu Mensah.
I just can't see this skill set others are seeing that suggests he would be able to play for a top class team in midfield. If the club loaned him out as a midfield player, he'd be lucky to get a league one team. At right back, he has had 2 EPL loans.
Better that than getting worked up over some tosser from Italy who you've (not necessarily you) seen play a couple of matches. It's rife on here.Why do some fans always over-rate our youngsters?
Yeah, idiots I know. What even has our academy done to be honest? Apart from Rashford, Lingard, Andreas, Pogba etc.Why do some fans always over-rate our youngsters?
There's a difference between being naturally excited and bloody going over the top.
The real bunch idiots are the ones comparing decent young talent to fecking legends and expecting them to live up to unrealistic expectations...I remember in 2011 Cleverly came out of a decent loan spell at Wigan, put in a few good performances for us at the beginning of the season and he's labelled the new Paul Scholes
A year later he was getting abused by the same 'fans' for being shit/not good enough and lumped with the 'deadwood'. There are so many examples
You called them idiots not me.
He's one of your highly rated youngsters, correct?
What is his best position?
What is his best position?
I love straw man arguments. Everyone got excited about Cleverley (rightly so IMO) but I don't remember anyone ever saying he was the new Paul Scholes. And even if you manage to find one person that did, it's hardly representative of the fanbase is it?There's a difference between being naturally excited and bloody going over the top.
The real bunch idiots are the ones comparing decent young talent to fecking legends and expecting them to live up to unrealistic expectations...I remember in 2011 Cleverly came out of a decent loan spell at Wigan, put in a few good performances for us at the beginning of the season and he's labelled the new Paul Scholes
A year later he was getting abused by the same 'fans' for being shit/not good enough and lumped with the 'deadwood'. There are so many examples
He can play Right-back, Centre-Back and Centre-midfield
I'm not sure what his best position is tbh... AT THE MOMENT There are so many holes in his game for him to be great in any particular position
This past year he's been played at right-back a lot...so I suspect he'll end up there.....
He's got all the physical attributes to be a destructive DM or commanding CB. He's not there mentally yet though, which is why he's been put in a less critical position.
Hargreaves was decidedly poor for us when he played in central midfield, and his only good period was when he was moved over to the right 'wing'. Carrick was far better in that role although obviously he did it a completely different way, and Fletcher, Herrera and Matic were all better as well.
Fosu-Mensah has a lot of potential simply because of his incredible athleticism, but so far really that is all he has shown. I've been hoping to see him develop his football intelligence to take that step up. With his power and speed he should be a huge threat at fullback as pretty much nobody would be able to deal with him, but he just doesn't seem to have any idea of when to really drive forward. He's worse than what Valencia is now in that regard. He also doesn't seem to have the positioning to make it as a central defender or defensive midfielder.
I really am hopefully TFM can take that step up to make the most of his gifts, but at the moment I'm doubtful. He also seems to be quite injury-prone, and seems to constantly be injured or picking up small knocks (just in his latest game he went down twice holding his knee although he did continue).
I can see
It's well known football fans aren't the most rational bunch though.
I just hate it when they turn on the players. Disgusting.
How did he play ?
If anyone can summarize his performance...
If anyone can summarize his performance...
Big difference between playing CB and midfield though. He just doesn't seem to have the awareness and reading of the game to play where he has to know whats going on 360 degrees around him. Too many misplaced touches, poor passes or slow reactions that will be punished in a midfield position. At RB or even CB its not quite such an issue as most of the threats will come from in front of him. To me he looks like a player whose physical domination in the youth leagues masked a few weaknesses.
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He was when he was 18, but honestly I don't see him making it.
He's a great athlete but his composure and on the ball skills really lack from what I've seen.
I think he will become a RB long term purely because of his athleticism, but not sure it'll be top level.
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If he can improvie his offensive game, he can start here next year at RB.
Great loan move. There's a player in there and it's a shame as he nearly had his break through season here until injured against Spurs I think?
His pace is great. I also love that he isnt afraid to take a shot. But his crossing needs to improve. His high crosses just seem to get lumped into the box.
how was he defensively?
Very impressive, I watched him a lot when he was at Palace last season and wasn't going forward at all. If this loan goes well then he should be rotating with Dalot next season.
Really? Maybe I'm old fashioned but didn't see a great deal
Good burst of pace, seems to be beating his man for fun and getting into good positions.
Crossing looked bad but he is flying forward in that video.
Compared to last season it's a big improvement
Ive never seen those bursting runs and shot/crosses from him before, I had no clue he was as strong offensively as those highlights showed. Why is he on loan again?