France's Presidential elections April 2022

[Boycott]

He tried his best not to seem arrogant in the TV debate and he didn't humiliate Le Pen like he could have done but when anyone is talking to someone of much lower intelligence it's inevitable they look somewhat arrogant. Especially talking about Le Pen's policies which collapse like a house of cards under any scrutiny. There were several moments when he could have gone in for the kill but held back.

You can see how weak Le Pen really is, her campaign centred around the North of France where she has the majority of her support. She rarely strays into "enemy" territory to try to gain more support because even under questioning from a voter in the street she'll run away or have one of her goons deal with them. She has a planned speech, any deviation and she's lost because there's no substance and she's not clever enough to argue coherently.

Just curious why she was the candidate who got to advance and face Macron? In the years between 2017 and 2022 what has been the outlook for other parties?

 

[Paul the Wolf]

Just curious why she was the candidate who got to advance and face Macron? In the years between 2017 and 2022 what has been the outlook for other parties?

The two traditional parties were the socialists and the Tories before Macron. The Socialists have disintegrated since Hollande was president.

The Tories have also to a lesser extent with the scandals of Fillon and Sarkozy finishing them off.

Macron has taken votes from both which has left a void. The remaining two major parties are the far left or far right. Le Pen has got an advantage over Melenchon as he hasn't got the support of the Russian bots on social media trying to destabilize western politics.

 

[Zlatattack]

This is how people voted compared to the first round. Macron got a landslide thanks to the far left voters.

i like this system.

 

[RedDevilQuebecois]

i like this system.

Same. That's the kind of stuff we need to see in the United States or in any country where there is an actual presidential system with a properly functional parliament; it pushes parties to build alliances in order to gather enough votes to go over the finish line.

 

[Sweet Square]

i like this system.

Same. That's the kind of stuff we need to see in the United States or in any country where there is an actual presidential system with a properly functional parliament; it pushes parties to build alliances in order to gather enough votes to go over the finish line.

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Large amounts of people are just voting to stop the other candidate. Seems like a awful advert to for democracy.

 

[nimic]

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Large amounts of people are just voting to stop the other candidate. Seems like a awful advert to for democracy.

All presidential republics are going to be like that. The parliamentary system is just inherently better. If you still want a President, you can be like Finland.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

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Large amounts of people are just voting to stop the other candidate. Seems like a awful advert to for democracy.

That's in the second round - in the first round if someone has 50% of the vote they are President. In the first round every single person's vote counted for who they voted for. Only two can survive to the second round and if your choice didn't get to the second round then he or she is obviously not the choice of the people.

 

[Pintu]

All presidential republics are going to be like that. The parliamentary system is just inherently better. If you still want a President, you can be like Finland.

The French system is called semi-presidential. It is not very different from the Finnish one. Even though formally the president in France appoints the PM, the parliament can veto a choice they don't like. In regards to internal politics, the President can be almost powerless when he/she doesn't enjoy a majority in the parliament. The President enjoys more power in defense and foreign politics, but almost everything else can be run by the prime minister independently from the President. It's been the case a few times in France (last in 97-02). What makes a French president so powerful is the fact that he can single-handedly dissolve the parliament and of course the immense legitimacy that the president gets from being elected directly by a majority of the population. In the last 20 years, all 4 presidents have enjoyed comfortable majorities with no need to dissolve the assembly.

 

[Boycott]

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Large amounts of people are just voting to stop the other candidate. Seems like a awful advert to for democracy.

More people voted for Le Pen than Melenchon. If the system is in round one every party is on the ballot and the top two progress to a second round run off, you have to ask yourself why is it your candidate didn't make it.

 

[JPRouve]

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Large amounts of people are just voting to stop the other candidate. Seems like a awful advert to for democracy.

Are people supposed to not vote after the first round?

 

[SirAF]

Are people supposed to not vote after the first round?

Exactly. If anything, this is a GOOD advert for democracy.

 

[berbatrick]

In the presidential election, ~40% of Melenchon voters went for Macron and roughly equal abstained, with the remaining ~15% going for Le Pen. (From here)

In the parliamentary:

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Cucked left, strong centre.

 

[Buster15]

To those posters who live in France, was the outcome of the French National Assembly elections a surprise. Or was it to be expected after the recent Presidential elections.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

To those posters who live in France, was the outcome of the French National Assembly elections a surprise. Or was it to be expected after the recent Presidential elections.

Not really a surprise, very low turnout. The last two for the 2nd round in my constituency were the Républicains(Tories) and Mélenchon's left coalition so I didn't bother to vote and the Républicains won.
Mélenchon thought he would get many more seats than he did. Le Pen got a lot of seats compared to previously but far less of a percentage than she got in the presidential election. Zemmour got zero seats, in fact he and all his candidates were knocked out in the first round.

To get an overall majority I heard that maybe Macron's parties and the Tories may join together as a coalition which would put Mélenchon on his own (with the remaining left parties) on one side and Le Pen on her own on the other side. That should be the end of Mélenchon.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

To those posters who live in France, where are you hiding all the damn mustard?! Been to Carre Four and now Hyper U. Not a jar to be seen.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

To those posters who live in France, where are you hiding all the damn mustard?! Been to Carre Four and now Hyper U. Not a jar to be seen.

Blame Canada, their harvest was bad so there's a shortage of mustard.

 

[DOTA]

In the presidential election, ~40% of Melenchon voters went for Macron and roughly equal abstained, with the remaining ~15% going for Le Pen. (From here)

In the parliamentary:

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Cucked left, strong centre.

Lot of Macron's voters seem bad.

 

[Buster15]

Not really a surprise, very low turnout. The last two for the 2nd round in my constituency were the Républicains(Tories) and Mélenchon's left coalition so I didn't bother to vote and the Républicains won.
Mélenchon thought he would get many more seats than he did. Le Pen got a lot of seats compared to previously but far less of a percentage than she got in the presidential election. Zemmour got zero seats, in fact he and all his candidates were knocked out in the first round.

To get an overall majority I heard that maybe Macron's parties and the Tories may join together as a coalition which would put Mélenchon on his own (with the remaining left parties) on one side and Le Pen on her own on the other side. That should be the end of Mélenchon.

Thanks again for this.
Was the low turnout because of a similar situation that you had. Or was there another reason. Or was that typical of that assembly election.
More importantly, is it going to adversely affect the policies that Macron is going to be able to implement as President.

Sorry if these are really dim questions, but as our closest neighbour, I have always been interested in what goes on in France.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

Thanks again for this.
Was the low turnout because of a similar situation that you had. Or was there another reason. Or was that typical of that assembly election.
More importantly, is it going to adversely affect the policies that Macron is going to be able to implement as President.

Sorry if these are really dim questions, but as our closest neighbour, I have always been interested in what goes on in France.

Low turnouts can throw up some odd results but turnouts for the MPs are usually quite low and lower than for the presidential election.
This year with the normal leading parties (Labour and Tories) becoming minority parties strange results were always on the cards.

Hope a reasonable coaltion gets put in place and hope that Mélenchon and Le Pen get nowhere near power as that would have been horrendous. Two clueless politicians would have been bad for France.

In my constituency Macron's candidate finished third and Le Pen's fourth in the first round so both were eliminated and weren't in the second round

 

[calodo2003]

To those posters who live in France, where are you hiding all the damn mustard?! Been to Carre Four and now Hyper U. Not a jar to be seen.

We are chock full of wonderful bright yellow mustard here in the states. I’ll send you some.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

We are chock full of wonderful bright yellow mustard here in the states. I’ll send you some.

American mustard is a pale shadow of the good French stuff, unfortunately. Although it’s fascinating that you guys have loads of it but Canada’s completely run out.

I actually just did some googling on this. Apparently France looked into sourcing mustard seed a bit closer to home when Canada’s crops started failing. They reckoned they could get a more secure supply from Russia and Ukraine. D’oh!

 

[calodo2003]

American mustard is a pale shadow of the good French stuff, unfortunately. Although it’s fascinating that you guys have loads of it but Canada’s completely run out.

I actually just did some googling on this. Apparently France looked into sourcing mustard seed a bit closer to home when Canada’s crops started failing. They reckoned they could get a more secure supply from Russia and Ukraine. D’oh!

American mustard is an absolute abortion unless it’s on a foot long hot dog at a baseball game.

 

[nimic]

I have to confess that I don't like Dijon mustard. Give me Idun Bodsennep, and I'll be happy.

 

[Pintu]

More importantly, is it going to adversely affect the policies that Macron is going to be able to implement as President.

Sorry if these are really dim questions, but as our closest neighbour, I have always been interested in what goes on in France.

Macron's own party is by far the biggest, and his Centrist alliance has 250 seats (289 needed for an absolute majority/given all the 577 are present, which rarely occurs). . I think he should be capable of passing most of the policies he wants to implement. This graph is interesting. Looking at this graph shows the following. First, we have 15 miscellaneous MPs, probably unlikely to want to block the president's ideas, making the required majority even lower. Melenchon's party (LFI) has about half of the left coalition's seats and 51 of the left MPs are from the center-left. Many there would be likely to vote for/abstain on most of Macron's "left-leaning projects". And on the other side, more than half of the center-right alliance’s 74 MPs are also close to Macron's ideas. So he'd also get the 40 seats there if needed for the "rightwing-leaning projects".

But yes life would be much easier if LFI and RN had less MPs.

 

[Red the Bear]

I'm not as well versed in French politics as I like to, basically don't know much after chirac left .

So he's basically gridlocked for the next 5 years?
The lefties guy seems to be anti nato so will he try to jeopardize macron?

 

[Paul the Wolf]

So far Mélenchon, gambled that he could win many more seats than he did, hoping he could become Prime Minister, has managed to put himself out of the picture completely - brilliant.
And Zemmour's fascist racist party did not get any seats at all, all his candidates knocked out in the first round.

Let's see what happens next.

 

[Buster15]

Macron's own party is by far the biggest, and his Centrist alliance has 250 seats (289 needed for an absolute majority/given all the 577 are present, which rarely occurs). . I think he should be capable of passing most of the policies he wants to implement. This graph is interesting. Looking at this graph shows the following. First, we have 15 miscellaneous MPs, probably unlikely to want to block the president's ideas, making the required majority even lower. Melenchon's party (LFI) has about half of the left coalition's seats and 51 of the left MPs are from the center-left. Many there would be likely to vote for/abstain on most of Macron's "left-leaning projects". And on the other side, more than half of the center-right alliance’s 84 MPs are also close to Macron's ideas. So he'd also get the 40 seats there if needed for the "rightwing-leaning projects".

But yes life would be much easier if LFI and RN had less MPs.

Wow. I did not expect such a comprehensive post so appreciate this.
Looks like Macron should be able to operate without too many difficulties.

 

[Sweet Square]

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[Pintu]

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This can get confusing, but you can't call these votes alliances. Yesterday the left coalition won the chairmanship of the prestigious Finances Committee (a far-left candidate got the position) against a far-right candidate and a center-right. Macron's centrist coalition ordered their MPs to get out of the room to make sure they don't vote.


https://www.ft.com/content/29b47bbd-df64-43f3-b080-6f0b1745c720

Coquerel, a former militant of the Revolutionary Communist League who was already a member of the assembly’s outgoing finance committee, has said he will play by democratic rules. “Nupes rejects neocapitalism,” he told the French magazine Marianne before the vote. “I represent real opposition to the system, and the end of [Margaret] Thatcher’s ‘There is no alternative’. But that doesn’t mean we won’t play the democratic game.”