Ornstein's comments that United already have the money in place to buy Cunha and Delap (both rumored to collectively cost ~£90+) without first needing to sell. Ratcliffe also said something similar in his BBC interview a couple of weeks ago without citing a specific number, and that yet more money could be available for further buys following a couple of sales.
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Nik (@Rood), Jamie (@Vault Dweller) and Ed (@That'sHernandez) give their end of season awards out! They celebrate the best players, goals and moments of the season (there were some, honestly) and also give out awards for the worst and most disappointing players/moments of the season.
They then discuss all the latest transfer rumours and get into the potential ins and outs this summer at Old Trafford.
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Ornstein's comments that United already have the money in place to buy Cunha and Delap (both rumored to collectively cost ~£90+) without first needing to sell. Ratcliffe also said something similar in his BBC interview a couple of weeks ago without citing a specific number, and that yet more money could be available for further buys following a couple of sales.
Yeah these are the kind of deals we have been wanting because the South American market is lucrative
The question is can we make the necessary sales to fund deals for the likes of Ederson and Mastantuono
Not going to get excited about this one. I know how much it’ll hurt when we don’t get him.
Yeah definitely not enough noise yet
Is he that good?
Is the 38mil release clause that I've seen mentioned true?
This guy is apparently up there when it comes to reliability on South America
I mean he looks like a baller, but £38m is a lot given the number of players we need, also he would be RW or right 10, where we have Mount, Garna, Zirkzee, Amad, Bruno as options, if we can afford to bring him in and still cover the other positions we need to prioritise then maybe, he could turn out to be a £100m player in a couple of years, but then if not we are going to struggle to make the money back on him which doesn't seem to fit the new model of buying youngsters on the cheap
Yep this would be a crazy way to spend £38m. Unless you've got a crystal ball that he turns into the next Messi it's far too big a risk for a skinny 17 year old playing in Argentina.
Signings from South American leagues should be capped at less than £10m if we are taking a punt.
We paid similar for Amad.
It’ll be structured in a way to pay the highest amount only after certain targets are met.
Yeah hopefully that's the case, depends whether River Plate will be open to that kind of deal.
A similar (probably not as good) talent in Tyler Dibbling is being quoted at £100m. Top young talents will have large fees attached
Suspect the answer is a resounding yes given all the players who would be getting sold. And that's before we get to the CL money should we qualify.
Just hope we can find takers for those players
That's the thing too, of course South American Clubs are way below in their financial strength, yet at some point they have to hold their grown. River has been selling quite cheap and in general Argie Clubs are financially a lot more fragil than Brazilian ones, so they'll fold more easily. At the end of the day they just put a tad better starting point instead of loosing players for peanuts given current market numbers.
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Seems a lot of money for an inevitably average child. Unless he's seriously good and comes on leaps and bounds we're making a loss.
Words spoken so many times before sending their kids to Uni
If we're going to sign a #10 for the right why not just spend a bit more and try to get Mbeumo
The same reason we won’t spend a bit more for Gyokeres or Osimhen but instead sign Delap. Moneys tight man.
Cheap compared to the quotes for English players like Dibling. Is a lot though, South Americans don’t usually cost that much until they become a proven star and in proven league
Pass.
Rather get Cherki for that price.
Just an overhyped South American player who will be on loan at Betis in 3 years time
Rather get Cherki for that price.
Just an overhyped South American player who will be on loan at Betis in 3 years time
How do you know?
How do you know not?
We are not at the stage to develop another player and we need to buy someone who can guarantee that they impose themselves in Europe.
This Masta guy may end up being better than Garnacho but it's still spending a Garnacho's sale on another project player, a project that may not get off its feet because we are not Brighton capable of allowing Caicedo and Macallister to grow by dropping them in to the first XI & may still not adapt to the league.
Cherki has shown he can do it in Europe and has been around for quite a long time, Delap has had a good season in our league - going for this Masta guy is a pure gamble.
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He never claimed he did.
We are upgrading on Garnacho with Cunha. Mastantuono would be coming in as a top young prospect to back up and learn from Bruno. No gamble at all because we wouldn't be expecting him to perform right from the off.
I like Cherki as a player but it appears that we view Cunha and Bruno as our 10s, whilst it looks like we are pursuing Ederson as a partner for Ugarte.
That could be any player
Is this classified as the link?
He clearly stated those are the two players .
What do you mean?
You can’t say something a definitive as ‘he’s overhyped and won’t make it’ and then roll that back as ‘none of us know’.
Here's an idea to help us stop being shit - stop spending money on players who aren't expected to perform right from the off.
Are we a big club, or are we a little club? Little clubs develop players for big clubs. Buy proven and get better now.
This isn’t really true though, big clubs are also constantly on the look out for outstanding young talent they can snap up in the hopes they turn into superstars, and rightly so. Barcalona and Real are prime examples of that.
We should be aiming for a mix of more established players who can make us better now, and up and coming talent who can be developed. Amad for example seemed like an expensive gamble at the time but it’s now looking like some really smart scouting. We need more of that, not less.
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We are buying proven. We are also allowed to buy high potential young players to develop for ourselves. Not for anyone else. The trick is to not spend £70m a pop on them and expect them to be superstars from the off. Thankfully, under Ineos, we seem to have a much better plan in terms of transfer strategy.
The problem is ‘proven’ is not a guarantee and hasn’t served is very well at all in recent years. Lukaku, Sanchez, Casemiro, Pogba, CR7 all very much proven yet came to us and didn’t work out. We need to be much smarter with transfers and identify talent just before they explode to becoming world class. Look at Liverpool signing the likes of Mane, Salah, Wijnaldum just before they had their major leaps forward. That is the way we have to go now!
Thats funny, 2 minutes after aswell
Yeah you are spot on about us needing a mix of youth potential and experienced in their mid 20's
on Sunday he’s going to face Boca Juniors for the Superclásico, 7:30 PM Englands time. M
It’s the most important match in Argentina league so I want to see how he performs under such pressure now that he’s the main name of the team.
It’s the most important match in Argentina league so I want to see how he performs under such pressure now that he’s the main name of the team.
Why aren’t Barca or Madrid interested?
Maybe ten years ago. Estavao, Endrick, Vini, Rodrygo all cost way more than that. This is the new market.
Interesting but he’s very young and it’ll be a massive step up for him. If we had a more settled squad then I’d be more in favour, but with the likes of Cherki and Guler available for the same price or less (allegedly/potentially), I’d rather us go with either of them due to their experience at this level and more assurance that they can contribute significantly from day 1.i
If this was Estevao however (who is already signed on for Chelsea) I’d feel slightly differently as I think he’s the real deal and worth the gamble.
If this was Estevao however (who is already signed on for Chelsea) I’d feel slightly differently as I think he’s the real deal and worth the gamble.
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