Franco Mastantuono

They've got almost too many young talents in his position though. You can keep hyped young players happy for a while with the whole 'glitz and trophies' whilst not playing, but even Madrid have been forced to let the likes of Odegaard go because he wasn't getting 1st team football.

And PSG are glitzy but they're not Madrid: for a South American, Paris barely has better weather than, say, London (and not That much better than Manchester) , they've never won the CL (this year isn't a gimme either, between Arsenal then, presuming they get through, likely Barcelona in their way), Ligue 1 is probably 5th at best in the list of European leagues etc.

Not many Argentines are expected to go to PSG after the way they treated Messi there. Especially the new generation. Mastantuono uses the 30 for some reason. Of course if it was his only option he would take it if they come with the money but this won't be the case, and out of every team he can choose, I don't think it will be PSG.
 
Sure. But when you compare it to teams that offer the semis or the finals of the champions league its going to be second best.
Oh yeah, I'm saying PSG is clearly more attractive proposition. I'm just trying to say we're not as in the doldrums as people may want you to believe.
 
Looks like a product of Jim Carey and Dominik Szoboszlai.
 
I know that he has a release clause at €45m. I’m saying he is worth what someone will pay, that’s how markets work. If no one will pay the release clause, but want to negotiate with River instead, I would expect a deal could be done at a value somewhere lower than the release clause based on the value of other recent transactions in the market.

But to be fair, I don’t know Rivers financial situation nearly as well as I’m guessing you do.

Noises of interest from multiple clubs would anyway indicate a higher likelihood that the sales price will be at least close to the release clause. Would be great for United if we could start making deals for this caliber of talent from South America, but he’s just so young that it’s hard to justify. Would probably be better for him to stay in Argentina for a few more years. What do you think he would go for in 2-3 years if he continues his development along the expected trajectory?
I really don't think he'll last 2 or 3 years at River sadly, I think at most we'll be able to keep him till June 2026 or so. I actually think that the possibility to continue in River after the transfer will be a big negotiation factor, like some users have mentioned here. River are currently trying to renew his contract right now, increasing the release clause in the process, but I don't know how that will go. I don't think he'll go for the exact amount of the clause, but hopefully it won't be much less than that (although probably with one big payment, down payments and bonuses). It will depend a lot of how the player behaves, because right now River is in a good financial situation and doesn't really need to sell players. He also seems a quite centered player, so I don't expect a lot of pressure to leave, so the situation will probably be different than the ungrateful Echeverri's.
 
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That's exactly the mentality you need to succeed. Then you see the likes of Rodrygo, Vinicius, Alvarez and you wonder why you didn't offer when you could...I guess it's a better idea to offer 40+M on Onana, or 80M on Maguire, or 100 on Antony
No, but 80 on Bellingham worked out.

60 million on Hojlund didn't.

There's clearly a middle ground. If vinicius had flopped it wouldn't have mattered to Madrid. If we fail with our "third of the budget" gamble we waste another few years.
 
Oh yeah, I'm saying PSG is clearly more attractive proposition. I'm just trying to say we're not as in the doldrums as people may want you to believe.
People forget that Hojlund chose us over PSG pretty recently. I'm not a usually a fan of his decision-making, but I'd like to think he had reasons some other footballers might share.
 
He should just stay and mature as much as he can. Too many "bad" stuff around a transfer right now to Man Utd.
And nope, it's not the League or the stature of the Club.
 
People forget that Hojlund chose us over PSG pretty recently. I'm not a usually a fan of his decision-making, but I'd like to think he had reasons some other footballers might share.
We've all seen Hojlund's decision making and that seems like a par for the couse for him right now.
 
Well, that's that. It's a bummer but given the state of our squad and PSR and such, expectations from this summer's signings are that they must improve us right now. Can't make expensive bets that'll really pay off 3 years down the line.
 
Well, that's that. It's a bummer but given the state of our squad and PSR and such, expectations from this summer's signings are that they must improve us right now. Can't make expensive bets that'll really pay off 3 years down the line.
Yeah we just aren't in a position to make punts, like you say it's disappointing but can live with him at Madrid
 
I guess he will be an option if Real doesn't sign him and if we sell Garnacho.
 
What was the point of multiple meetings then if we ultimately told them we don't have the money?
 
PSG isn't into this player.
They want Akliouche this summer, and only him.
 
BS about those numbers. 34 is peanuts. Besides, we already have one Argie winger who plays for the national team.
 
BS about those numbers. 34 is peanuts. Besides, we already have one Argie winger who plays for the national team.

Agreed. A more plausible explanation is we don't have existing funds prepared beyond Cunha and a striker. Adding Mastantuono to that mix would require selling one of Rashford or Sancho first. If we want to buy someone like Ederson, it would require selling both + Hojlund as well.
 
What was the point of multiple meetings then if we ultimately told them we don't have the money?
You think deals like Varane and Casemiro happen overnight? No, it's all about getting in early and registering interest before their best years so you can be there when they're past them.

I bet there are synonyms for monitoring that we don't even know about, and one of them is where we're at with Mastantuono. Give it a decade or two and he'll be ours.
 
Maybe we would go for a Eze/Mbuemo/Semenyo if we sold Garnacho but price likely to be too high
I highly doubt that. We're only loosely linked to Semenyo from those. And he's apparently just an alternative if the Cunha deal fails.
 
He'll be wasted at Madrid and PSG. I feel he'd actually get good game time at United

There are more settings beyond the game time to develop a player.
I can't remember a successfull youngster at United since Sir Alex.
Garnacho did "OK" but thats it
 
There are more settings beyond the game time to develop a player.
I can't remember a successfull youngster at United since Sir Alex.
Garnacho did "OK" but thats it
That's a terrible take, shall we not bother with young players anymore? In fact, hardly any player has been a success so we really should stop buying players altogether, right?
 
I’d rather buy 35m pounds on him (and players of Yoro profile), rather than fading Madrid stars like Casemiro, etc
 
I’d rather buy 35m pounds on him (and players of Yoro profile), rather than fading Madrid stars like Casemiro, etc
Unfortunately the money Ten Hag blew on 4 players is why we can't take punts on talented potential like him
 
You think deals like Varane and Casemiro happen overnight? No, it's all about getting in early and registering interest before their best years so you can be there when they're past them.

I bet there are synonyms for monitoring that we don't even know about, and one of them is where we're at with Mastantuono. Give it a decade or two and he'll be ours.

:lol:
 
You think deals like Varane and Casemiro happen overnight? No, it's all about getting in early and registering interest before their best years so you can be there when they're past them.

I bet there are synonyms for monitoring that we don't even know about, and one of them is where we're at with Mastantuono. Give it a decade or two and he'll be ours.
I believe it's called Poaching The Severely Declining.
 
That's a terrible take, shall we not bother with young players anymore? In fact, hardly any player has been a success so we really should stop buying players altogether, right?
Where did i say that?
What i wanted to say, if you hope this player come to United and improve, something inside the club has to change. Maybe the way you handle psychology, the abilities of the staff, Carrington stuff, i don't know. But something has to change, granting more minutes will not make much a difference.
There is something toxic about the club, you can't deny that due to the fact the players who leaves seems to do better.
 
Exactly. Real have shown how well this can work with Vinicius, Rodrygo and to an extent Endrick. Reiner was a flop and there may be more I'm missing but look how good those first two have become. It's a great way to go about things if you can pull it off.

I'd be all for rolling the dice on this guy.
Vinicius and Rodrygo were absolute certs barring injury. As good as Mastantuono looks, I've read from people that watch him regularly that there are a lot of fundamental things he needs to work on so for the price they are looking to sell him, that presents a big risk. It's been a very long time since the 'next Maradonna/Messi' coming from Argentina (Thiago Almada, Echeverri, Presstianni) lived up to their expectations past youth level so its fair to be cautious.
 
I don't know anything about him but just squad number wise, we have room for 1 experienced #10 to be added (Cunha) and then behind him we already have 2 promising talents who will want a lot of game time and then a couple of guys like Mount and Zirkzee who are in the squad to fill up numbers but the main 3 who we should protect their minutes would be Cunha, Garnacho and Amad. There isn't room for a random punt who would expect first team game time, as he wouldn't get it next season barring an injury crisis or sales to players I hope we don't sell.
 
Vinicius and Rodrygo were absolute certs barring injury. As good as Mastantuono looks, I've read from people that watch him regularly that there are a lot of fundamental things he needs to work on so for the price they are looking to sell him, that presents a big risk. It's been a very long time since the 'next Maradonna/Messi' coming from Argentina (Thiago Almada, Echeverri, Presstianni) lived up to their expectations past youth level so its fair to be cautious.

It would be silly that someone should invest in a youngster ONLY expecting a Messi or Maradona, neither is needed, how dumb we can be if we expect that level of player every year.
Even if the player being Argie, there are more possibilities. BTW It's not a long time ago that players with a very similar build to the 2 geniuses (pacey, short and bulky) had great talent and succeess like Kun or Tevez, or even recently less talented, yet similar bulky build a very good player like Alvarez is doing his thing, without needing to be such an off the charts player like Diego or Lio.
As a side note, lots of the time someone is named the next Maradona or Messi, it's just silly, and in this times has more to do with earning clicks than nothing else.

None of Almada, Prestianni (that people even in Argentina actually barely know) where trully touted the next Maradona or Messi, as much, as replacements of Messi for the future regarding the role or the next more talented young "10".
Almada is a strange case due to his path, going to MLS was bizarre. He is a talented player, nothing even remotely close to Diego, still with time to make a better path from now on, still quite young.
Echeverri is lightweight as it was Aimar and if he ends like him, it would be great. Mastantuono looks like Alonso (the Argie one) rebirth, not at all similar in style, size, build main characteristics to Messi or Diego and Prestianni looked like a short, pacey dribbler, yet never even gain lots of recognition and certainly didn't look at all like a cert since day one like Diego, Lio or even less talented mofos born cracks like Kun or Tevez.

So at the end of the day, the invest should be in terms of trying to buy a future a Elite or Top level player and the mentioned still can end having a carrer in such level, the future will tell.

PD: Regarding Franco, he should stay in River to the very least one more season, he is very green and the expectation and state of Man Utd right now might end fecking everything while he still is literally growing.
 
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