His erratic touch for 52 million is a let down but other than that i dont think any of us can be too mad at the price. His energy and non stop battle in the middle makes it great business.
Fred - £47m well spent
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Good player but let's not forget he's a huge contributing factor in several of the goals we concede. His on field discipline is also questionable, getting into trouble and giving away dangerous free kicks.
its not really a valid comparison when you bring up the age of Fred when we bought him two and a half years ago, and compare him to the age of a player bought this season.
Could Allen have been bought from Napoli back in 2018 for significantly less than £50m? I don’t know the answer.
Age is always valid in transfer fees. Koulibaly for example his price was 130m pounds in 2019, in 2020 dropped to 80m-90m pounds. Covid might effects it but his age is the bigger factor than the covid for the reason why his price was dropped.
Most improved player under Ole. Still needs work on his passing as he is es sloppy at times but his energy is amazing.
its valid if like for like. But you are comparing Fred’s age in 2018 to Allen’s age in 2021 that’s not a valid comparison, and is presented in a way to misrepresent your argument.
In terms of importance to the team he is easily worth it. He is the only one capable of keeping a high tempo with his hassling off the ball and quick passing on it, especially on turnovers. Then there is the running he does to free up Matic, Pogba and the others. We would not be able to play the way we do without him.
What’s wrong with the comparison? Are you not understanding the point here? Fred would have been less than 25m if he is signed at 29 years old. The same with Allan, because he’s closer to 30, his price was 22m. He would easily minimum double the price or more if he was signed at 25 years old.
Personally, though I quite like Fred I find the caption of £47m well spent ludicrous. Cant shoot, cant pass, poor first touch....but he works hard and shows a lot of energy and commitment, so likeable but certainly no quality for the price paid. I think moving forward it is a case of McTominay OR Fred not AND, little between them and very similar in strengths and weaknesses, too similar for me to accomodate both, I would go for McTominay personally
Its just completely hypothetical, with far too many variables. The only comparison that might work, is how much Allan could have been bought for in 2018.
What’s wrong with the comparison? Are you not understanding the point here? Fred would have been less than 25m if he is signed at 29 years old. The same with Allan, because he’s closer to 30, his price was 22m. He would easily minimum double the price or more if he was signed at 25 years old.
a 25 year old Fred wouldn’t cost anywhere near £50m last summer (in my opinion).
Very very happy having Fred in the squad. We need loyal and hardworking players like him.He has some limitations, but in certain matches he is one of our most important player.
He would’ve been worth >50£ if he was 24 and his maximum level wasn’t discovered yet. I don’t think he is worth >50m£ today, because he probably hasn’t much more upside left.
I estimate his value to be approx. 30-40m£, but he is worth more to us! United likely have to cross the 50-mark if we want a player with equal impact on the team.
He would’ve been worth >50£ if he was 24 and his maximum level wasn’t discovered yet. I don’t think he is worth >50m£ today, because he probably hasn’t much more upside left.
I estimate his value to be approx. 30-40m£, but he is worth more to us! United likely have to cross the 50-mark if we want a player with equal impact on the team.
I agree, with some more experience McTominay can definitely become the superior player especially with his physical stature. I predict that Fred will become a squad player once a proper Matic replacement is found.
If a 49m bid was received tomorrow and you were manager would you accept it? (If you answer yes then please see me in my office)
Didn’t think he was at his very best yesterday, especially in the last 20 minutes. He seemed to dither on the ball and got caught in possession a couple of times. Having a great season though.
It’s not hypothetical though. That’s how it works in transfer fees. There are lot of factors in transfer fees not just player’s ability. In the market of 2016-2018, Allan would have been easily double or more than what Everton paid. The guy was part of regular midfield with Napoli who constantly finished 2nd in those years. Jorginho was sold for 50m pounds plus 7m adds on in that year, Allan would have been valued the same more or less.
He has found a role in this team but was he ever signed to play that role? Wasn’t he meant to be a box to box midfielder who could find a pass? He seems more akin to Kanté. I like his energy and recovering of the ball. He needs to improve on his passing and turning into danger.
Definitely not worth £47mil but I don't bemoan the purchase now.
Says £52 mill on a few sites heres a link link
I think he's a good player but I couldn't help thinking that McGinn is the player we want Fred to be? Just my opinion of course.
He's an interesting player. Unbelievable stamina, superb ball-winning abilities and a good passing range but quite inconsistent with his touch, shooting and short passes. But he's better than the likes of Herrera, Schneiderlin and Schweinsteiger who we signed to be what Fred is now. All in all, a good signing but I feel that he can still go up one level if he improves where he needs to.
Fred is ok if he has someone by him. He cant play in front of the back 4 on his own. For me we shouldnt have to have 7 defensive players in the team. If we had bought a decent DM we could have played 4-1-2-3, 4-1-4-1 and got another attack minded midfielder in there. Imo for £52 mill he should have been a specialist at something other than running.
He is constantly shutting down the space of the ball player, its relentless. Off the ball he is continually killing off passing lanes. I tend to watch him more off the ball than what he does with it.
Yes but as i said other sources say different. Lets just say hes around £50 mill then.
I read Ole was after him when he first took over. Mind you he was after longstaff as well.
There is no more reliable than Simon Stone BBC when it’s related to Man United news.
Fred is ok but the biggest issue is he’s not a DM.
We have to pair him with McTominay or Matic. I don’t think Fred is creative enough for a #8 either. This would get exposed further I feel if Bruno wasn’t ridiculously productive.
We have to pair him with McTominay or Matic. I don’t think Fred is creative enough for a #8 either. This would get exposed further I feel if Bruno wasn’t ridiculously productive.
Destined to be forever underrated. Possibly our most consistent player over the last 18 months, through the shit and now the good times. Ask Bruno if he rates Fred. What midfield do he think he wants around him?
Provides grit and bite in midfield but some of his simply bread and butter passes and distribution can be dreadful at times. Good squad player and suited for certain games but imo we need to look for a higher calibre DM long term.
He’s a good player but I’m not sure what his position is and how you play him effectively. He’s not a great DM or box to box and he isn’t a dictator of play either. He’s a bit of a mix of all but lacking in all areas too.
This is what his role at Shakhtar was though - he was part of a double pivot and his great strength was moving play forward With the ball at his feet combined with defensive work off the ball. I don’t think of him as a pure B2B (he rarely gets that far forward and has the odd shot every few games) and he’s never been a Kante type.
Absolutely he worth it. He does amazing job in our midfield. He is so so underrated. People here were so obsessed with Kante but is there any difference between those two? It is same style of play and same impact on squad. Covers whole pitch, protects defence and plays simple and quick.
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Love the guy
To be honest I think both of them ideally are only squad players. Lazy comparison but McTominay is a bit of a Fletcher for me. Fletcher a player remembered with rose tinted glasses. Was piss poor for the club for the first couple of years, was never going to be anythign like the midfielders before him when we were in transition, in all honesty wasnt a top quality central midfielder.....but was invaluable in the big games with his energy and ability to break up play and even chip in burstign forward for vital goals at times, a golden squad player.......that is how I see McTominay. I still think we need two new cental midfielders myself as I dont see Fred as the answer long term either, Matic just isnt a started now, Pogba hasnt proved to be the answer either and though he hasnt been given the opportunities....VDB for me was always a squad option anyway, not a starter. It is for me an area where consistently we still dont have the answers, only for certain games, why Im glad to see links with new signings like this Columbian, though I know nothign about him
Agree he is a big asset with his work rate and in closing down spaces.. my issue is he make far to many passes that dont find a team mate. He gets caught in possession to often and his shooting is woeful... apart from that yes hes great.
That’s it, that’s the real value of Fred and it’s huge. The clowns on here don’t like him because he doesn’t score well in FPL.
Only if you are comparing him to the long term injuries Kante struggling for consistent form and played out of position the last couple of years and have a memory of only 18months. If you are comparing him to Kante of Leicester up to 18months ago.......thenyes there is a lot of difference between the two.
Totally agree. I like Fred, as a fan you always like a player who gives 100% and works there socks off........but that is quite sad to say in itself, as that should be the minimum you get from every player, which sadly hasnt been the case for a fair while with our side. For £47m you should be getting a lot more than that and though Fred has improved in the last year or two he does still get caught in possesion a lot, often due to a generally really poor first touch, his passing also isnt great, his shooting is woeful, though that isnt so important with the role he plays.
He is likable as a player and performs a role within the side, But under rated and a great player, sorry but absolutely not
There will always some people who label him as flop, moaning about the price tag. In reality though, they just don't like him because he's not easy on the eye with ball at his feet. It happens often.
I bet he'll stay at United for a long long time, even if we upgrade on him, he'll be a useful player. Not a game changer, but important squad member, so I don't mind the price tag.
I bet he'll stay at United for a long long time, even if we upgrade on him, he'll be a useful player. Not a game changer, but important squad member, so I don't mind the price tag.
Similar in work rate playing different positions. Fred has played a CM/CDM in his career and for that reason he's developed different skills. Fred is a much better passer, and better in any defensive aspect of his game.
Park was more of an attacking midfielder and as he was closer to opposition goal, he's a much better finisher and perhaps better creater in the final third.
Park's discipline, insane workrate gave another dimension to his game and helped him to feature in way more many games than he would because his attacking skills were a bit underwhelming compared to what we had at disposal.
Fred's output will improve I am sure of that but let's not compare apples and pears because they can have a similar colour. If you look at the stats. Fred's last season which was his first full season was no worse than average season of Wijnuldum, Kante or Fernandinho which are considered the best players in their positions and are part of some amazing title winning teams.
Whenever I read threads like this it's still full of people who are generally unable to understand that football is a team game and every player has a different role with a different skillset. Fred is one of the best players in the world in what he does and if he takes a shot under pressure here and there and he misses the target it doesn't mean that much when he can provide some insane defensive stats, winning the ball early set us up early on the counter, he's got so many pre assists and crucial inclusion in the build up.
It's pretty sad he won't get mentioned because bigger names are around him and obviously media will cream about Fernandes and Pogba more but he certainly deserves more recognition.
BTW no one is perfect and can't always have a 100% passing completion rate but his passing deseves mention as well, he moves the ball very quickly and is able to find some neat passes in between the lines, and that's also his very underrated asset. We are playing much faster with him in the side..
47 mil looked steep at that time but in the end he came good and is one of our most important players and again like last year in the mix for our best player far. You can spend a little less for players like Van de Beek or more for Keita, name your player... who are nothing players. Rather send 47 mil on him and Maguire to finally solve our problems at their positions than endlessly try for "almost" players which are not guaranteed quality.
Bruno.
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