[stevoc]

Our fans hate Fred, so even if he does fine, he will still get criticised. Shaw, Maguire, McT, Pogba were all very bad and deserve criticism before Fred.

I doubt many United fans actually hate Fred, a lot simply don't rate him.

Fred gets shit on way more than any of our players and it isn't close. Especially over the wider internet. I think Fred was bad against Southampton and Wolves. I don't think his parters or the way the team set up in those games helped, but he was still bad. I think he was fine against Leeds, Young Boys, and today, but he still got shit from our fans against Young Boys and he will today as well.

I get tired of seeing 1/2 players get a lot of hate when they're not the main issue for poor performances.

Yeah probably and if shitting on players performances floats your boat then do it but do it in that players thread. My problem isn't people shitting on any particular player it's every other player getting shit on in defence of a particular player, in this case Fred. This thread is to discuss Fred's performances but half the time especially after a poor Fred performance Matic, Pogba or today McTominay are discussed almost as much. And by discussed I mean blamed and criticized, or as I put it shit on.

 

[Litch]

Fred good or not, doesnt pick himself. If people think he is the problem and replacing him changes that brand of football, they are deluded. Maybe some should use the negative energy where it is better placed.

 

[Rajma]

He was one of the better players yesterday for all his weaknesses, McT on the other hand spent majority of the time hiding from the ball.

 

[Litch]

He was one of the better players yesterday for all his weaknesses, McT on the other hand spent majority of the time hiding from the ball.

This is what is confusing, McT and Pogs by most people's admission were poor, Bruno offers very little defensively whilst trying to score. Who the hell is left holding the midfield together? Whether it's Fred or Matic, this system leaves anyone left exposed.

 

[Rajma]

This is what confusing, McT and Pogs by most people's admission were poor, Bruno offers very little defensively whilst trying to score. Who the hell is left holding the midfield together? Whether it's Fred or Matic, this system leaves anyone left exposed.

Very well put, Ronaldo and Greenwood don’t do much tracking either meaning that our back four and holding mid will always be under immense pressure once Shaw and AWB go up the pitch. After losing the ball our intention is not to get it back quickly while we have committed many men forward instead we jog around (bar Cavani and Fred) allowing them to play out and cut us apart without too much trouble. The calibre of players in midfield (I don’t count Pogba as one anymore) is missing (it’s mainly on Ole for going for Ronaldo instead of adding to the midfield) but the system making it even worse for anyone shielding our defense.

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

One of the better players yesterday. He's inconsistent.

 

[Litch]

Very well put, Ronaldo and Greenwood don’t do much tracking either meaning that our back four and holding mid will always be under immense pressure once Shaw and AWB go up the pitch. After losing the ball our intention is not to get it back quickly while we have committed many men forward instead we jog around (bar Cavani and Fred) allowing them to play out and cut us apart without too much trouble. The calibre of players in midfield (I don’t count Pogba as one anymore) is missing (it’s mainly on Ole for going for Ronaldo instead of adding to the midfield) but the system making it even worse for anyone shielding our defense.

Whether it's Fred, Scott, Matic or Donny, the system leaves whoever is in there exposed. When do you see Liverpool, Chelsea or City midfield so isolated. Do people think Pogs and Bruno would be allowed free reign yet offer nothing going the other way?

 

[Litch]

One of the better players yesterday. He's inconsistent.

The teams inconsistent. The managers inconsistent. Our best players are inconsistent, still waiting for consistency from Pogs six years later.

 

[GledTheRed]

In the team to protect the back four and his consistent mis control and giving the ball away causes nothing pressure on the back four.

Might swell play Pogba CM, we know he's a liability but at least he can control and pass a ball.

 

[redshaw]

Fred did fantastic for the goal.

Please watch him at left back, he intercepts the ball and plays it forward, then follows up with a decent cross to help create the goal. His defending really set us away on the attack there.

 

[Sylar]

Fred did fantastic for the goal.

Please watch him at left back, he intercepts the ball and plays it forward, then follows up with a decent cross to help create the goal. His defending really set us away on the attack there.

Him and Cavani were great but yeah great cross by him, right to Ronaldo

 

[Idxomer]

Great left-back.

 

[stevoc]

Good cross.

 

[redshaw]

Him and Cavani were great but yeah great cross by him, right to Ronaldo

Yes, Fred, Cavani Lingard did great, I think Fred was very important in an unnatural position.

 

[Sylar]

Yes, Fred, Cavani Lingard did great, I think Fred was very important in an unnatural position.

He's high energy, it's just a shame his passing isn't top level but regardless, happy his cross lead to a goal

 

[Devil may care]

It was a good cross, an odd choice to bring on at LB but it paid off.

 

[ivaldo]

Played really well tonight. Don't understand the complaints.

 

[Red Royal]

Played really well tonight. Don't understand the complaints.

Have some complained??? FFS

 

[Rossa]

It was a good cross, an odd choice to bring on at LB but it paid off.

Telles looked a red card waiting to happen. Got a knock as well.

 

[rooney2009]

Missed in enemy in midfield

 

[criticalanalysis]

Completely anonymous in midfield

 

[Jordan_mufc]

Do people understand why he needs to play now. We got absolutely mauled in the 1st half and missed his energy.

 

[stevoc]

Played really well tonight. Don't understand the complaints.

What complaints?

 

[MyOnlySolskjaer]

Great pass for the winner.

 

[Ali Dia]

Think McFred would have done a better job in that first half or Fred and Donny. We finally took some control of the middle when Pogba went off. It was too forced and open up to that point. We miss his energy and hustle and tempo when he doesn’t play.

 

[jem]

I’m not a fan at all, but given the choice between Fred playing with Bruno and Pogba or Mctominay in that role, I’d go with Fred every time.

 

[Ali Dia]

In the team to protect the back four and his consistent mis control and giving the ball away causes nothing pressure on the back four.

Might swell play Pogba CM, we know he's a liability but at least he can control and pass a ball.

This aged well in all of 3 days. You need more in midfield than being able to pass and control a ball if you’ve all the time in the world on it.

 

[RUCK4444]

I’m not a fan at all, but given the choice between Fred playing with Bruno and Pogba or Mctominay in that role, I’d go with Fred every time.

Same here. Anybody giving Fred a hard time needs to look at Scott as well.

For me Fred offers more for us even though he's technically limited.

I have never seen a top side crying out for a proper true DM as much as this United team.

 

[simplyared]

That pass he made with his left foot which lead to Ronaldo's goal was sooo well executed. That was class! You can't take that away from him!

 

[jem]

Same here. Anybody giving Fred a hard time needs to look at Scott as well.

For me Fred offers more for us even though he's technically limited.

I have never seen a top side crying out for a proper true DM as much as this United team.

It's the most glaring of glaring weaknesses. How the club has failed to address it I will never understand.

 

[FatTails]

I’d like to see him and Donny in midfield if we are sticking to a double pivot. He has some big weaknesses (passing) but I’m not convinced that McT’s passing is any better. As a destroyer, Fred is better. For creativity and movement, Donny might prove to be better than McT.

I don’t see what McTominay brings to the table other than being defensively more disciplined than Pogba, which is really not a high bar anyway.

 

[Hoof the ball]

Fredcafe.

 

[Levenstein]

Think he should play left midfielder in 433 and DM under him.

 

[MattofManchester]

Essentially a man of two halves.
Usually has a diabolical 45 minutes, followed by one that is impressive, or vice versa.

 

[Giant Midget]

feck off back to Brazil you absolute wasteman

 

[Based Adnan]

He costs us every week. Bullied TWICE by Demarai Gray of all people and too thick to make a tactical foul. Always manages to make a 50/50 a 20/80 against him as well.

There's no accountability for him though so he'll continue to play.

 

[Kag]

Useless fecker.

 

[Raw]

What an absolutely shit player

£50m

 

[Ollie Derbyshire]

Weak

 

[Drainy]

Like if we stuck with Kleberson