Right. If Ten Hag doesn’t want other midfielders, that’s fine. But we need help at almost every position, and should have been ready to spend the money elsewhere. I admire that the club won’t overpay, and that Ten Hag doesn’t want a mediocre backup option. I also understand the need to be patient as this is a transitional period, but the club is still very predictable in how it does business right now, which allows a club like Barcelona to string us along. It’s very frustrating.
Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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I’m not one of the clowns being paid a good sum of money to just say yes to whatever ETH wants.
But sure, it’s Frenkie or bust, let’s just watch McFred start in midfield for yet another season if we fail to get him.
Great summary.
I, however, do believe that this will get settled for less than 17 mil.
Time will tell.
So walk me through this:
- ETH has said, "Get me FDJ, he's key to how I want to play."
- United negotiate an agreement for the player, the remaining issues are between him and his current club.
- United set a deadline for this to be resolved by, isn't resolved by this date, United walk away.
Now, to my mind, this means we need to pivot hard and sign a lower-quality player who ETH doesn't know as well and who will therefore take longer to embed. I'm not sure what the benefits are of following this pathway.
For the third time, who else?
Yes probably quite a bit less. Just guessing but a sensible pay-off that acknowledges what he did for the club by agreeing to defer the wages would probably be enough. I said earlier 50% of the £17m might be seen as reasonable.
Big day tomorrow
So yeah, basically what I said FDJ or no one.
Develop one - aka - One we already have.
Why would he give up money he's entitled to though? He's the only party here who isn't in a hurry.
I agree a compromise is most likely, the only complication within that is like in most antagonistic negotiations there will be a desire from both camps to come out of this looking as though they are the winners. Laporta will not want to give up everything but in order to save money on the settlement he may have to make some public statement to the effect that Frenkie has graciously sacrificed money he deserved for the good of the club so that the player can look magnanimous in his departure and yet Laporta can still spin it as a victory for his approach.
Imagine being the agent / lawyer who didn’t think to protect the deferral in the contract renewal. I’d love to be a fly on the wall in a meeting with frenkie and his agent / lawyer now they fecked this up and so the agents are digging in deep to make sure he gets that money and keep him as a client
granted hindsight and it was a case probably not done before (well except pique, Alba etc) bla bla but you pay these guys the money to make sure the money owed gets paid
Why is it reasonable for him? Although legally that 17m is not his money, but that's what he's supposed to get paid all those years he's been playing. He was willing to get pay cut in good faith that Barca would pay him later in one way or the other.
It could happen if Barca are skint and can't pay, but that's obviously not happen. Not to mention all those bonuses he was promised to get if he stays at Barca, and will be forgo if he moves.
I know what you mean but he isn’t strictly entitled to the money if he leaves (Gandalf’s summary post 39,151 is most useful). Sure, he can just stay but he probably would prefer to resolve this and there probably is a figure that he would accept.
Yeah thats very true... i think it will be FdJ or no one, but only because ten Hag is very confident that he'll get de Jong.
I think it also depends on how desperate Barca get. If after a couple of weeks, it looks like de Jong isn't going to budge, they might start to worry and just cough up and pay what he's asking. Alternatively, de Jong might get frustrated with not flaying or being used as a backup in an unfavoured position, think it's not worth it anymore and just decide enough is enough, he wants out. It really is who blinks first
That's good!
In my honest opinion I think this is a deadline day deal. They'll pack his bags if they need to.
Barca are reportedly close to signing Kounde, they need to find cash fast.
I suppose they will negotiate. I don’t know what he’ll accept but as he is not legally due the money, an offer of half is not outlandish. FDJ may hold out for the full £17m but I just think he’ll want to get a decent chunk of it and get out.
If it's true Barca needs his wage to be gone before registering other players, then he's got nothing to worry about.
i don't see why he'd need to accept that negotiated deal.
The key is "if it's true".
Nah i doubt that, i don't think Kounde would wait until deadline day if Barca need cash for him to join. He'd just go to Chelsea instead
Be hilarious when he stays at BCN, Xavi keeps him on the bench, small appearances at CB in meaningless games and his agent starts asking about loan options and transfers next summer and he ends up at a tier 2 club.
They'll likely sign him beforehand and then look to sort out the registration later, be it more levers or selling Frenkie
Xavi had a talk with De Jong and told him that he has to agree to a salary reduction if he wants to continue at Barca. They both left happy, so it looks like De Jong is willing to do something.Tweet
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We'd be back in for him as its unlikely we sign anyone else for his spot this summer.
Frenkie should ask Aubameyang for the #17.
Oh I am sure it is intense. Do the correct simple thing, then watch Barca twist it and hang you out to dry.
I would be so mad. And even more so because I could see me doing exactly what FDJ did here and getting screwed.
Like I said I expect a settlement, but we shall see
Well that's that then. Hope Iqbal spends the coming weeks watching Frenkie videos.
Yeah, we don’t know much for certain. But they seem to have broadcasted that they want him to leave and in that case I don’t think he will be very keen to stay apart from to make sure he gets his money. Say they offer £16m, is he going say no to that? I don’t know, but when you consider he will be coming to a manager and club that will pay him well and will build the team around him, he is probably going to listen to sensible offers.
He isn't legally entitled to it so the club won't be paying it. He's not in a hurry because he doesn't want to leave. Frenkie hasn't even agreed personal terms with United or are we going to say that somehow voids these deferred wages he's owed now? IF he has a case, he can leave and sue us as Neymar tried over the loyalty bonus. This really looks like EtH being confident he can change the players mind with the help of Xavi and Laporta persuading him to go.
Also I wouldn't believe everything the journalists are writing, if Frenkie was really being treated that badly, he's human after all, he'd be gone and suing us. Playing him at CB isn't an insult either, he played the libero sometimes under Koeman and impressed. I think if relations aren't totally broke down between the club and the player, maybe he accepts lower wages to be within the cap. He can see a great new project unfolding at Barca.
Pretty sure theres going to be no salary reduction.
It's been widely reported that he has no intention of doing so. Perhaps they both left happy because they're willing to negotiate on his wages. They don't want to keep him, even if he did take a salary reduction again, i don't think they want him around
He'll get games if he's still there next season. Barca would clearly rather cash in, but if they can pursuade De Jong to take a big paycut, there's every chance he stays and he's too good to be warming the bench.
They are only trying to move him on for economic reasons; it's not the case that he's of no use to them on the pitch.
I’ll try and fluff my cucumber up a bit. This has never happened to me before.Cucumber time is nothing happening
It was also widely reported that Kounde was headed to Chelsea, until he wasn't. All I've learned in this trnasfer window is that anything can happen at seemingly any moment, especially when involving barca.
Reduce his salary by half and play in other positions apparently
Very true, but i just can't see de Jong staying at Barca.
Suppose stranger things have happened, but you don't treat someone like crap then just say "aaaah it's ok, you can stay if you want, but you have to reduce your salary" for them to turn round and say "Sure, i'd love to play for nothing".
Then again...
it’s an interesting modus operandi. You outbid other clubs in terms of salary, the player joins, and then you tell him “listen, bro, you need to accept a salary reduction”
Yeh, that's reasonable. He might get a good signing fee from United to cover that, and maybe a better wage. Or maybe there's some other reluctance where money isn't just the main factor. Moving to United isn't as attractive as before, also.
This guy is tier 3/4
“They both left happy”. This is like when my wife is ‘happy’ for me to go for a pint with the boys. It’s a fecking trap Frenkie
One of the worlds best who not a lot of people were talking about for some time. It is the Gavis and Pedris who got the headlines.
Nobody said sign anybody. But you have to realize that we shoot ourselves in the foot by being over reliant on one player. When it is said, that the replacement only needs to be better than McFred than thats only the baseline. Right now, we have McTominay, Fred and VDB. Then we are talking about kids who never played PL football. Bruno and Eriksen are 10s. Even considering them, we have 5 midfielders, we could do with 2 maybe even 3 additions. Going for another midfield player doesn't even have to mean step away from FDJ. But being passively sitting around is bad.
So wait. De Jong wants the £17m deferred wage yet you think there’s every chance he goes ‘ahh feck it Mr Laporta I’ll just take another new contract on even less money. Cheers’
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