Barca clearly wants him to leave but I don't think that really matters very much. FDJ has always controlled his own destiny but whatever small amount of leverage Barca had over him is essentially gone once the season begins and they have all their players registered. They can't rally the public against him by painting him as the bad guy preventing them from playing Lewa and Raphinha. They're not going to refuse to play him now that the matches count. If FDJ rode out that entire storm, I don't see why he would cave now and accept an outcome he views as inferior to the status quo. He obviously prefers to stay at Barcelona, that is what he said over and over from the beginning of the summer.
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So, if the benefit of selling FDJ is around 175m to Barca, why are they refusing to pay his 17m deferred wages. None of it makes any sense from Barca’s side.
Yeah stay in the newbies forever kid
Most likely because the deferred wage thing is a red herring and the main issue is simply that FDJ doesn't want to leave the club.
Just for the muppets that only read this thread. The Fofana deal looks like it is getting close and the Chelsea pursuit of de Jong has cooled. Related?
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Always liked you Zaphod, you guys crack on and get your man
Maybe because they realise that they don't need a midfielder? Or that, perhaps, they don't have as unlimited funds as they thought?
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We’ll be there to the bitter end.
It’s probably taken you lot less than a week to realise he doesn’t want to leave Barca.
We’ll be there to the bitter end.
Fofana for 80M? 
Leicester have done well here and the Maguire sale
Leicester have done well here and the Maguire saleReady to pin all my hopes on this one again cap'nYou're welcome
Appreciate the muppet support mate!
Fofana is a really good player if he can stay fit, huge potential.Fofana for 80M?
Almost worth not putting my kids in school and getting them to play football 12 hours a day from the age of 4.Fofana for 80M?
The fees involved are just mental.
Still very young too.
I think initially they wanted to get away with not paying the 17M and even recently the compromise figure they were offering was reported to be only 6M. Mental really but they want to have their cake and eat it obviously, judging by Laporta's gut that is his approach to most things. They figured Frenkie would eventually cave and if they could keep 11M of what they owed then it was worth acting like cnuts all summer. It may have backfired though and could cost them the whole enchilada, sorry Joan just brings out the food analogies in me.
I think back in June FDJ wanted to stay but genuinely communicated to us that if Barca paid him off he would be open to the move. I am starting to think that by being such utter twats Barca have misjudged how stubborn Frenkie can be and he now has decided that even with a payoff he is not leaving and he is going to make them fulfill the entire contract. Barca are beginning to wake up to this reality and the stories today about his agent blowing off a meeting with them is the ultimate power move, he has a contract, it is iron clad so what is there to talk about? I anticipate Barca becoming truly desperate ahead of the transfer deadline and it is going to be fascinating to see how they play this.
Also a positive!
Or someone used Chelsea to try to make us pay more or act quicker.
Like.... like agents do all the time when it comes to United.
Thats the spirit
Frenkie‘s wages are not higher than similar players at PSG, City, MU. I think Dembele‘s new contract has wages that are higher than Frenkie‘s minus the deferred payments.
Basically what Barfa are saying is total bullshit.
I have been tryying to say this many pages mate but people dont believe it.
The only truth to the Chelsea rumours were that Todd enquired about his availability. Everything else is pure connection.
The problem is, this deal has created mass hysteria amongst United fans, in part because a deal was agreed and then fell on its head.
Does anyone actually want de Jong?
Wasn't kounde like 55-60? Crazy. At least it's under 100 so it's a win I guess
You’re a good guy Zaphod. Who is saying the Chelsea interest has cooled please ?
We were never interested in de Jong. He was a smokescreen.
Is this a euphemism ?
Boiling this all down Frenkie, has to decide:
- Whether to take the wage haircut -- scalp job, arguably -- and be adored by Barca lunatics once again and keep the WAG happy
- Do a Bale, which would keep the WAG happy but what a miserable life for Frenkie himself (although a happy WAG is not to be underestimated)
- Go to United, which presumably in the end pay massive waged and take care of at least a part of the deferred wages (though the future of the ETH project is uncertain)
- Go to Chelsea, with all the pleasures (and huge wages...or does Chelsea pay massive wages?) that life in London gives and the stage of the CL (though I have my doubts about where Chelsea is going)
There have been a few things said about it. Tuchel was asked and he usually does not speak about transfers but he said that midfield was not a prioity right now. There have also been the Barca sources that have slowed down their rhetoric since he made that statement.
Thankfully mmost of the Caf muppets survived it....barely!
Hm yeah i think so, Kounde is a really good player but Fofana is a beast when in form.
I remember when Fofana started in Leicester and he was bossing every match, i was hugely impressed but he has had issues with injuries so it could hinder his improvement, we have seen it before.
Smokescreen to get Rabiot and Arnatouvic ?
Things can always change. Right now Jorgi and K2 are really enjoying their bromance since being reunited.
Thankfully mmost of the Caf muppets survived it....barely!
Hm yeah i think so, Kounde is a really good player but Fofana is a beast when in form.
I remember when Fofana started in Leicester and he was bossing every match, i was hugely impressed but he has had issues with injuries so it could hinder his improvement, we have seen it before.
Smokescreen to get Rabiot and Arnatouvic ?
Obviously. We're in Turin getting it on with Rabiot's mum. Surely it's quite telling?
Think Tuchel will have a bigger pull on Auba having been together at Dortmund.
When you say it like that it sure is!
Sorry, i am alittle slow in the noggin.
Arna next week then and keep AWB and thats our team sorted for the season i guess!
Such a big contrast man. Let's grab him man what's the hold up
Thought you were asking if anybody wanted your jong. Apologies. I misunderstood
Imagine if us signing Rabiot causes a chain reaction of Juve signing Jorginho and then Chelsea getting De Jong.
Fofana being imminent very well could be related.But I never got the impression this was an either/or situation.
I think we are where we have been all along: We let them know what we could offer, and if/when he gives in and decides to leave we will be there.
The deferred wages are NOT the issue. He genuinely refuses to leave.
That is Barca’s issue. When it gets sorted, all this talk about work with agents and stuff is pointless. It s hypothetical til it happens, and it only takes about 20 seconds to say “we will match that” or “we will beat that by x amount”.
I don’t think De Jong agrees to leave until it gets to the point Xavi and Laporte turn on him publicly, and specifically says he’s not wanted at Barcelona. That hasn’t happened yet. They are still saying how much they value him.with a tiny bit of hedging. De Jong is gonna play dumb until they publicly say “get OUT”. This is a PR war now.
I think we are where we have been all along: We let them know what we could offer, and if/when he gives in and decides to leave we will be there.
The deferred wages are NOT the issue. He genuinely refuses to leave.
That is Barca’s issue. When it gets sorted, all this talk about work with agents and stuff is pointless. It s hypothetical til it happens, and it only takes about 20 seconds to say “we will match that” or “we will beat that by x amount”.
I don’t think De Jong agrees to leave until it gets to the point Xavi and Laporte turn on him publicly, and specifically says he’s not wanted at Barcelona. That hasn’t happened yet. They are still saying how much they value him.with a tiny bit of hedging. De Jong is gonna play dumb until they publicly say “get OUT”. This is a PR war now.
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