No you can't. Similar shambolic start 2 years ago saw us finish 2nd. Unreal opening day last year saw us finish 6th. It's extremely unpredictable and things change so quickly. Signing two quality players in a weak area is exactly the kind of thing that doesn't guarantee anything.
Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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you think if we signed two of the best midfielders in the world we wouldn't make top 4?If I say it won't make a difference I did not mean it won't improve the quality of our team. I meant it won't be a difference for FDJ cause it looks like he is insistent on Europe and we can't provide that for him even if we sign Casemiro.
Our attack and defense is good enough for only the bottom half of the table. They are good names on paper but for 12-15 months they haven't converted on the field. The start to this season proves that yet again. We have only scored 1 goal in 2 games. And our shot on targets and pressure inside the opposition half isn't there either.
Hypothetically, would you be happy to sign Casemiro and De Jong, lose Ronaldo, and go into the season without signing a striker?
Yes. Sort the striker out at a later date.
As I said before, there's 9 months to go. 2 games can be indicative of nothing in hindsight at the end of the season.
That should not be an issue to any football player. But better ran clubs have good directors of football. Unfortunately we don’t.. so we don’t know how to speak to agents.
But it’s quite simple.. this is Manchester United.. we are the Barcelona/ Real Madrid of English football. We will always compete to sign the best players which is why we are trying to bring you in. You will literally be out of the champions league for one season and with a World Cup year in November it’s probably the best season to feel like your missing out. Next year we will invest again and look to compete to win the competition.
It's not though. It didn't even get close to the bottom half of the table last season, despite getting 4 points out of a possible 15 in the last 5 games. They would clearly upgrade our midfield in terms of shielding the back 4, playing higher up with confidence, beating the initial press and progressing the ball.
Paradoxically the less you need players the easier they tend to be to get.
We have no evidence of that. The board would absolutely be dumb enough to do that
We were the 8th best team attacking wise. And the 12th best team defensively. So we weren't bottom half. We were mid table.
No, b/c that means we would only have martial, sancho and rashford as our only attacking senior options. You lose Ronaldo, we would have to sign a forward.
Oddly silent since the links with cas began.
The deals probably dead but I like to think somethings going on behind the scenes.
The deals probably dead but I like to think somethings going on behind the scenes.
But we finished 6th...
if Im Frenkie De Jong I would wonder if my relationship with the Barcelona leadership can ever be repaired.
They have done everything in their power to push him out of the club, including threatening legal action over the contract he signed with the club. FIFPRO are unquestionably keeping an eye on this.
They have done everything in their power to push him out of the club, including threatening legal action over the contract he signed with the club. FIFPRO are unquestionably keeping an eye on this.
This deal seems dead. Your board should be fecking fired. Never forget the pic of both of them in Barca, dumb and dumber.
I would take not signing an established forward or a right winger if we could sign Casemiro PLUS Frenkie 
We will come for VDS soon to take over
People think we're getting both Casemiro and De Jong, no chance!!
Casemiro link only picked up after Van de Kraan mentioned our De Jong offer has reached it deadline.
Casemiro link only picked up after Van de Kraan mentioned our De Jong offer has reached it deadline.
Why is that so? They went there and literally agreed a fee with Barca. Only some unforeseen circumstances is preventing this deal from happening so far
His deferred wage issue has been public for well more than 2 months now. Did these two fat fecks go to Barca only last month?
I don’t know if it’s really his deferred wage issue that’s holding up the deal. But if it really is, i think Chelsea would have paid that up and Frenkie would likely be their player already by now. I personally think he just doesn’t fancy coming here or to England for whatever reasons of his
The same defense and attack that finished 2nd before Sancho, Varane and Ronaldo signed.
Again him not wanting to move to England, if indeed was the issue, surely could have been foreseen. One simple question to him would have sufficed.
Miracles do happen from time to time. The rest of the league were shit and we got very lucky. Thats why it won't be replicated again. It was a one-off similar to Leicester's title win.
Bit extreme, they had to go there to negotiate.
Not like they walked out with a "we've signed him" banner
they are shite though
You missed your chance you Dutch cnut.
Enjoy playing as a 3rd choice CB under UberEats Barcelona after they pulled their 19th lever.
Enjoy playing as a 3rd choice CB under UberEats Barcelona after they pulled their 19th lever.
Miracles
Turn to Barcelona and say:
"On you lads, Casemiro deal ready to go, you either sort this wages issue out and get the money to use on Silva or we just give £60mil that covers your biggest rivals business"
They cave, we get de Jong and sign Casemiro anyway.
Good times.
"On you lads, Casemiro deal ready to go, you either sort this wages issue out and get the money to use on Silva or we just give £60mil that covers your biggest rivals business"
They cave, we get de Jong and sign Casemiro anyway.
Good times.
Casemiro and FDJ midfield, one can dream
No but it would make us top 3-4
My understanding is that there were legal and tax issues associated with any club doing that, which is why it couldn’t happen.
This deal has already been double tapped between the eyes about a month ago, now we’re just pumping more rounds into a cold corpse.
For the love of god, close this fecking thread.
For the love of god, close this fecking thread.
Can that money not be paid as some sort of sign on bonus?
I’m leaning to this one being dead in the water to use muppet parlance. It’d be highly ambitious to take FDJ on top of Casemiro. Even the oil state clubs would think that’s fantasy. Pair Casemiro with someone more suited like a SMS and last week’s dream of FDJ and Rabiot is an afterthought quite frankly, and I am glad that ETH has his alternatives.
And if it fecks Barcelona, then that’s a bonus. Chelsea should just pull out of Aubameyang too for being fecked around.
And if it fecks Barcelona, then that’s a bonus. Chelsea should just pull out of Aubameyang too for being fecked around.
I’m not an authority on it, so I don’t have an answer for you, I’m sorry. I am merely reference an article that was in the Athletic last month saying there are serious tax implications for De Jong to do that, meaning we’d have to pay him a lot more than 17m for him to see what he is supposed to get net from Barca.
Even if we can sign someone on loan like pulisic or a fairly cheap alternative? I'd like to see more of Garnacho too personally, plus bruno or Eriksen can play wide. I just think having a proper midfield would improve the whole team, we'd see improvements to our attacking output.
I agree.
This is absolutely and utterly dead. The only reason why United are still telling people like Ornstein that the door's still open is because they don't like to admit they've been done. Did the same thing with Sancho all the way until deadline day in 2020.
Casemiro chat putting pressure on Barca to pay off Frenkie. Genius
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