Yeah I agree with this. Adding a cheaper midfielder to the squad who won't be FDJ quality but will easily improve on McTominay shouldn't be that difficult. We need the depth anyway.
Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
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He won’t need a move in Jan, he’ll already be a United player by then. Other than that I see no problem with what @Berbaclass has said. He just not a mindless sheep following every nonsensical tweet or a headless chicken over stuff that you would expect to happen.
‘Man in doing his job for current employer shock!’ I mean, it’s honestly pathetic.
The names that keep being brought up are Neves and Tielemans, which I would much rather just sit and wait it out than either of them
Find it very bizarre people criticising others for having 0 faith in our recruitment team. The recent evidence is beyond horrendous.
It is perfectly reasonable to think we’ve been chasing someone for 10 weeks who has 0 interest in joining with no backup plan. I’m inclined to think that’s exactly what’s happening here. We should have moved on a while ago.
Any sensible club would have other strong targets. I’ll probably get criticism for not having a definitive list of targets myself.
It is perfectly reasonable to think we’ve been chasing someone for 10 weeks who has 0 interest in joining with no backup plan. I’m inclined to think that’s exactly what’s happening here. We should have moved on a while ago.
Any sensible club would have other strong targets. I’ll probably get criticism for not having a definitive list of targets myself.
Completely agree.
Next Friday should absolutely be the end of it, one way or another.
People saying we can go down to Deadline day are talking waffle! We definitely can't.
If it's as simple as Barca paying De Jong what he's owed, why aren't they? It does feel like they are buying themselves time but I'm not entirely sure why. They need the money, De Jong is their biggest most sellable asset, they are the only ones that can end the impasse. And yet, they aren't... I know they are a bunch of broke ass bitches these days but they are taking the piss with this.
Disagree that we need to move on as there's clearly willing from De Jong's camp and you'd imagine he's given the greenlight to ten Hag. Would be good to get this wrapped up sooner rather than later, though.
Disagree that we need to move on as there's clearly willing from De Jong's camp and you'd imagine he's given the greenlight to ten Hag. Would be good to get this wrapped up sooner rather than later, though.
I think they know full well whats required and they've received assurances that he'll come when it's all sorted. If they haven't then it's going to look REALLY bad on ten Hag and the board and there will be repercussions felt for quite a while, especially with the fanbase, which they really don't want to do. This is the start of a new era apparently, so they'll want to show that we're really making headway and changing our ways. Not a great way to start if there are no assurances
We'll still get him.
And this thread will break Pogba's record for pages once it sets in that we're getting him.
And this thread will break Pogba's record for pages once it sets in that we're getting him.
That record belongs to Sancho
True. But if we 'wait untill the end of the window' and don't get him, we don't just move on, we miss out (on a replacement in a key position). As I can't see us having another option almost as good as de Jong fully lined up who's been prepared to wait until that late in the window as second choice.
Obviously the club know how close it is, and how willing de Jong is on coming, far better than anyone here. And, as plenty say either way, we've committed so much into it that it is either stubborn madness despite him really not wanting to come, or they've got every reason to believe / know that he's interested in the move.
If it's the former, we can't afford to keep holding out on an off chance for so long that we risk missing out on Plan B. If it's the latter, as we all hope, and it's just the deferred wages issue, then we should definitely keep pushing for as long as possible to get the transfer over the line and ensure ETH gets the man he wants. With so many conflicting reports, and so many transfer mistakes over the last few years (albeit under different people), it's hard to have 100% confidence that it's the latter and not the former. But we've done well so far this window so let's hope it is the latter and that it's another that gets successfully completed.
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Barca couldn’t exactly leave him out the squad could they, it would massively weaken their negotiation position, and he still is a Barca player. Will be Interesting tresting how much playing time he will get.
But... but... but Frenkie has said a thousand times here that he doesn't want to come.
Luckhurst is right. All this for a player who doesn't want to join. They aren't even paying him his full wages and he would still rather that than come. Even without barca being twats this is one transfer I'd be happy to see an alternative. Get a club target but keep an eye on this one as well. They can ring us when they have their shit together.
If this is somehow true, then we're doomed yet again.
I highly doubt that's the case.
We have assurances he'll come if the deferred wages sticking point is resolved.
Deep lying playmakers
1- De Jong.
2- Veratti.
3- Fabian Ruiz.
4- Kimmich.
only attainable option other than De Jong is Ruiz.
800 pages.. 200 more to go..
Popcorn time 
Sorry, but I just don’t see it happening.
Nobody seems to know, but my guess would be if he was to leave he’s more likely to go to Chelsea …..they’re CL.
Really does show how impatient people are in here and how little they know about transfers.
It really isn't like Football Manager, there are lots of things going on behind the scenes that can cause transfers to drag on, you just have to use common sense and try to see things for what they really are.
Let me ask, how are you so certain that Frenkie isn't interested? Are you close friends with him? Do you have the United and Barca offices wiretapped? Do you have Frenkies phone tapped too? Funny how so many random posters on here seem to know more than the actual clubs. Maybe a few of you should apply to United to be negotiatiors, with all your amazing inside knowledge?
I do not believe for one second Erik Ten Hag is forcing the club to buy a player he has private access to, if he doesn't believe the player is keen on joining. It defies everything we have learnt about the man.
Frenkie De Jong is doing what every employee would do. Barca made De Jong sign a contract with nearly 60% of his wages deferred to the last three years of his contract and are now telling him to feck off. They're fecking him. No matter how much I loved United, I would do the same.
You're naive if you don't believe FdJ and ETH are not speaking in private.
What I have grievance with is the club putting an open ended date on when this deal needs to be done. We need to set a deadline.
Kimmich is better than all of them, but we're only getting him once he's old and semi retired.
Is Fabian Ruiz really good? Keep hearing his name mentioned but know nothing about him
Based on what? The fact Chelsea were interested and their interest seems to have dried up?
Or the fact they really don't need him due to having players in his position already?
What reasoning do you have for this statement? Spanish media is my main guess
Maybe we are. I agree it might not be a bad idea, but then which position do you neglect if you have to buy an extra midfielder? I’d wager the lack of movement in midfield means we are pretty confident about Frenkie before September. Let’s have a little resolve.
Not even close, mate. Sancho (Part 1) had over 1300, I think
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Agreed, truly can't imagine that not being the case. ETH seems the no nonsense but sensible and level-headed type.
The same way we couldn't and wouldn't have chased Sancho for 2 years without assurances he'd join, I don't see that not being the case with De Jong
I recall the initial one having a lot, but don't think it had 1000+. Can you find it?
You should also be asking the question of whether ETH has actually spoken to Frenkie? Maybe ETH has no clue as to what Frenkie is thinking? Doesnt even have his phone number?
Maybe it was all a wild ass goose chase? I bet ETH doesn't even know Frenkie.
Don't trust me, trust Redcafe's AI
We would be paying FDJ close to half a million a week. We should never accept paying Barca's debt. It won't happen.
I’m checking out. Have fun, Muppets.
If we have to go another season then so be it. We wait for the right person.
Eriksen, Fred, Mctominay, DVB, Savage, Iqbal may not be world class but it's hardly the worst in the world.
Sometimes you miss out on targets and that gives another a chance. I've really liked what the 2 young lads have shown so far, they could progress to be as good as FDJ.
Is it frustrating? sure - but we've missed out on bigger names before and still done OK.
Major inferiority complex is my guess.
K thnx, bye!
Redcafe has artificial intelligence? Wow. I guess that’s because there is no actual intelligence?!!
I mean we're all just living in a simulation upheld by @Damien, but that's for another thread
We were chasing Sancho over a year dude,that is waaaaay more than 350 pages
That's up to ETH to decide I guess. He might think from what he's seen of Savage/Iqbal so far that we aren't that desperate for reinforcements.
I'm sure if the deal isn't looking like happening we will move onto other targets, but we might have to be patient and wait.
Sometimes you just have to put faith in what you've got, i'd quite like to see Savage/Iqbal given more of a chance. Their pre season form is warranting that.
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