feck that. We should be paying LESS than what they paid before.
Wait till the last day to submit a take it or leave it bid. Don't give a shit what barcelona want.
He isn't wanted by them. They should be making concession to sell him to us.
Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
- Thread starter davidmichael
- Start date
-
In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
- Status
Wait till the last day to submit a take it or leave it bid. Don't give a shit what barcelona want.
He isn't wanted by them. They should be making concession to sell him to us.
Also why are we not progressing with other signings in the meantime ?
we can drag this on for another week. But Barca needs to get his wage bill off the books by 30th June to abide by the La Liga rules?
Maybe ETH's idea is that if we don't get someone with Frenkie's unique skillset, then we will need to buy a different combination of other players.
ETH fears that we wont have enough money for FDJ if we buy a couple of other players.
The other theory is we are also incompetent and can focus mainly on one target, and FDJ is our key transfer this summer, so that is where all the time is going.
People were also furious when Sancho deal looked like it would take 1000 years to finish. But in the end we got Ronaldo, Varane and Sancho. Don't worry, we have a better recruitment team now.
Woodward would have sealed it last week by overpaying 50m.
Woodward would have sealed it last week by overpaying 50m.
Who says we aren’t?
Another theory is that both of those are bollocks and other work is happening without this fanfare.
Yeah, that's it pretty much.
Barcas asking price down from 85m guaranteed to 75m guaranteed?
Also, the supposed new bid being similar doesnt mean much.. the payment/bonus structure can change and that can make a big difference.
Also, the supposed new bid being similar doesnt mean much.. the payment/bonus structure can change and that can make a big difference.
Yup, £65m is a good price for FDJ - we should just get this done now.
The ‘bid’ has been increased to the 85m figure that has been mentioned all along. For the first time. The debate now will be the composition of that 85m, and we do not know what the 20m add-ons comprises of.
Yeah exactly. The 20 M in add-ons could be a lot easier to achieve this time around.
Also would not surprise me if Barca and United have agreed a fee but are keeping it under wraps. Suits both parties as they need to do more business in the market.
It suits us if we come across as skint and Barca also don’t want the world to know they’ve got money in the bag to spend.
De Jong hasn't shown the worth of being 75 million Euros Barcelona overpaid for his services and he hasn't shown any improvement in his performances to justify his perceived value. If Barcelona reject 65 mill euros the club should walk away. They have a wage cap issue, unable to register new players and Frenkie is one of the highest earners.
But we have a week to call their bluff.
Really lucky to get Ten Hag in and De Jong be available in his first window. This deal is all but done really. Delighted.
Can the mods auto-correct 'Walk away' to something hilarious please?
I obviously don't know what is really happening, but it is quite funny to think since that first offer, we have supposedly been working 6am - 10pm every day (for 2 weeks now since that first offer?) working intensely on this deal only to come back with the master plan of adding 5 million euros to the guaranteed fee
Well its not how transfers work. Its not that our board sat there in a room for 2 weeks and discussed how much to add to the 1st offer and contacting Barca guys on the phone. This is all a play at this point, 2nd bid and all, its all all probably been agreed.
The accountancy lady has to crunch the numbers by pen and paper
that takes a lot of time.fecking put in the bellendor clause.
There is a really good video
which shows how Ten Hag tries to use the players he has avaiable, if we don't get de Jong, then he has to reconsider who he can get and how to play with the existing shambles we have.
I think it’s because they haven’t been using him correctly.. Busquets plays in the role that he plays which forces De Jong to play in a more box to box role.
In my opinion his best role is the Busquets/Carrick role where he shields the defence, picks up the ball from the CB’s, distributes it forward through the lines and controls tempo.. which we’ve been missing since Carrick left.
I'd like to think so. Can't shake the Fabregas vibes though.
As I have said before, whether it is happening or it isn't I don't mind at this point, I just want to know by the end of the month. I want to see United start to improve their squad after their worst PL season, with or without De Jong
The optics of the leeches taking out the same amount in dividends tomorrow that we seem to be apart from Barca's asking price will be something 
Barca are taking the piss. No one else wants him. They need to sell. United should drag it out and call their bluff.
Its not like bricklaying.
There are proposals and counter-proposals and each side has to see the effects on their financials since it has knock-on effects on the clubs' bottom line as well as the other transfers.
Its painful from a muppetry perspective but I think this is the best way to go
You also have to suspect that any new proposal has to go back to the board, based on what normal businesses are like I imagine for every bid we put together we have to give exact details on structuring, payback, financing, etc. These presumably then have to go the board with all those details in before they sign it off. If you think our team are just sat there and make all the decisions themselves, then I severely doubt it.
But at the same time, we have posters here who just want to 'pay whatever Barca is asking' and close the deal.The optics of the leeches taking out the same amount in dividends tomorrow that we seem to be apart from Barca's asking price will be something
And based on the summer's transfer budget of 120m quid, that 'pay whatever they want' differential will probably exceed that annual dividend payout to the Glazers anyway.
Now they are saying he doesn’t want to. Wtf is going on?!
Who?
THE INTERNET !!!!
Hopefully not to the board -- but Murtough and Arnold levels only. That's the purpose of getting a DOF.
When it was Woodward he would probably report to the board his every move since they are the level above him. But with the DOF, they have delegated responsibilities and the football stuff is kept with Murtough/Arnold's level only. This is the improved efficiency of the decision-making process.
Come end August or the quarterly meeting, Arnold would have the actual financial impact of this summer's reporting to the Board -- and probably if it was below or exceeded the planned budget set a while back. And its impact on the financial year.
Who is saying who doesn't want to do what?
So, we are just under £10m apart.
hmmm https://www.express.co.uk/sport/foo...lazer-dividend-news-gary-neville-reaction-SNT
hmmm https://www.express.co.uk/sport/foo...lazer-dividend-news-gary-neville-reaction-SNT
This is a question I want to know. I think the obvious answer though is they want ten hags top target in a position that we desperately need and they want to make sure they can afford him where as if we sign other players first then there might not be enough money left to sign him.
Oooh the ITK's are saying Here We Go....
Who? Where?
- Status