Frenkie De Jong

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Played for Anderlecht when we met them in the EL.
We can't sign every young players we played against and also not every young players is convinced that ManUtd is the right club for their development.
 

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I do think ETH would get the best version out of him but a lot would depend on De Jong's hunger to succeed in the premier league too. I hope we only proceed with this signing providing he actually wants to be here. I would swiftly jog on to the next target if we need to convince him to come to be honest.
We need to pick these sort of players up before they get to a Juventus/Barcelona/Madrid/Bayern type team really. Otherwise you're just ensuring a sky high fee and wages and always the slight worry why they're off.
 

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So you feel could potentially be sold then
We have 200 million deficit. We just sold Coutinho for 20 so still 180 to go.
 

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The only reason player chooses Spurs over United if players used to work with Conte and at the same time players rate Conte very highly and belive that Conte can execute the project. This logic applies to FDJ that he would still choose us over Bayern, City and Liverpool because he used to work with ETH and at the same time he rates ETH and believe that ETH can execute the project and get the best out of him. Of course, if he doesn't rate ETH then the managerial factor is not there.

So other than that managerial factor, no players would choose Spurs over United. Man United are still bigger club with greater resources means they can always come back to the winning way. Just like what Tuchel said: ''Man United are huge club, they will always recover''
FDJ probably won’t choose us if we have competition from city, only way he chooses us is if we’re the only ones interested and he’s desperate for a move. Obviously we’re a bigger club but we’re also a bigger mess. We’ve ruined players careers. We’ll always recover? We’ve not won a trophy since what 2017? Been recovering for a long time… I am optimistic though and think things will start to improve under ten Hag.
 

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How exactly is Spurs closer to trophies than us ? Unless you see top 4 as a trophy ? I would say, we have a bigger chance of winning EL than Spurs winning CL next year.

Domestic cups - it's as good as anyone's.
They have a manager who is known for winning trophies, that automatically puts them in front of us. They’ll probably most likely challenge for top 4 each year aswell with conte being there and him actually having a transfer window to improve his team.
 

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They have a manager who is known for winning trophies, that automatically puts them in front of us. They’ll probably most likely challenge for top 4 each year aswell with conte being there and him actually having a transfer window to improve his team.
Known for winning trophies ? What's his record in cup competitions ? He isn't getting the league next year.

Let's stop this glorification of our rivals who aren't City or Pool. Everyone else is equally shit.
 

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They have a manager who is known for winning trophies, that automatically puts them in front of us. They’ll probably most likely challenge for top 4 each year aswell with conte being there and him actually having a transfer window to improve his team.
We have a head coach who has 3 league titles (likely would have been 4 were season not cancelled) and 2 domestic cups (3 but for same reasons) to go along with a litany impressive performances in Europe in the last 4 seasons to his name.

It ain't like Conte is that much better a prospect to play for than ten Hag and we have the added bonus of Dr Jong having played in the ten Hag system which allowed him to play his best football.
 

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I expect Spurs to get top 4 this year.
Yes they could finish 4th and still win the EL next year.

By finishing 3rd in their CL group in case you are still lost :D
 

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FDJ probably won’t choose us if we have competition from city, only way he chooses us is if we’re the only ones interested and he’s desperate for a move. Obviously we’re a bigger club but we’re also a bigger mess. We’ve ruined players careers. We’ll always recover? We’ve not won a trophy since what 2017? Been recovering for a long time… I am optimistic though and think things will start to improve under ten Hag.
These days, players who want to win trophies is either joining the club that already been established to win trophies or players who is buying into the project. The only way for player can buying into the project if there is someone that he can trust and believes to be successful and one of these ''someone'' is the manager. FDJ won't choose us if he doesn't rate ETH. If he rates ETH then he will buy into our project that is managed by a manager who was able to get the best out of him and can guarantee the player an important role in the project ETH is building. The player wouldn't just come to Pep if Pep told him that you will be playing as no 8 and involved more in the box, the player would think, that would be the same situation that I'm having at Barcelona, playing in a position that doesn't get the best out of me, he would think that the role ETH offers would makes him feels more comfortable. If he doesn't rate ETH then he has no reason to play in a role that ETH offers and no reason to believe in the project.
 
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These days, players who want to win trophies is either joining the club that already been established to win trophies or players who is buying into the project. The only way for player can buying into the project if there is someone that he can trust and believes to lead success and one of these ''someone'' is the manager. FDJ won't choose us if he doesn't rate ETH. If he rates ETH then he will buy into our project that is managed by a manager who was able to get the best out of him and can guarantee the player an important role in the project ETH is building.
Like I said needs to be focal point of midfield, would then need to find someone capable of doing the dirty work in that area
 

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FDJ probably won’t choose us if we have competition from city, only way he chooses us is if we’re the only ones interested and he’s desperate for a move. Obviously we’re a bigger club but we’re also a bigger mess. We’ve ruined players careers. We’ll always recover? We’ve not won a trophy since what 2017? Been recovering for a long time… I am optimistic though and think things will start to improve under ten Hag.
City have ruined plenty of careers too. He simply won't play much at city
 

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he’s not really and is better going forward, I think even Xavi himself said something like why would you shackle him with the responsibility of a DM. You’d lose so much of what he is.
But Xavi himself shackles him in a way and goes against his natural game of dropping deep, telling him to wait and receive the ball from Busquets in midfield. His best position is still as a DM on paper, but someone with freedom to push forward, rather than a CM, as you will also lose out on his other exceptional abilities of receiving the ball from the CBs and spreading it out/gliding through under pressure.
 

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But Xavi himself shackles him in a way and goes against his natural game of dropping deep, telling him to wait and receive the ball from Busquets in midfield. His best position is still as a DM on paper, but someone with freedom to push forward, rather than a CM, as you will also lose out on his other exceptional abilities of receiving the ball from the CBs and spreading it out/gliding through under pressure.
So basically better as a box to box player with someone around ie a DM doing the hard work for him.
 

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he’s not really and is better going forward, I think even Xavi himself said something like why would you shackle him with the responsibility of a DM. You’d lose so much of what he is.
Just leave it, so many people think that playing near the usual 6 position makes him a DM or call him a 6. But haven't actually seen him play much or are just unaware what a 6 or an 8 or a 10 are.
 

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Just leave it, so many people think that playing near the usual 6 position makes him a DM or call him a 6. But haven't actually seen him play much or are just unaware what a 6 or an 8 or a 10 are.
I’m seeing that in action. Ideally what I’ve seen he is probably best in a 4231 sitting with a DM allowing him to come deep and create if he wants as well as get forward doing what he is best at.

I think many just picture his acquisition as a shift to a 433 and him sitting as the single pivot anchoring the midfield. Which I don’t think will get the best out of him.
 

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So basically better as a box to box player with someone around ie a DM doing the hard work for him.
No, he is a deep lying playmaker and no he isn't better when getting forward, he is better when he can control the flow of the game from a relatively deep position and adequate but unnatural when asked to move into the final third.
 

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'So basically better as a box to box player with someone around ie a DM doing the hard work for him.'
Totally not true. At Ajax he was the link between defence and attack often taking the ball directly from the keeper. He even played Centre half a few times. He is the ideal DM who can quickly turn defence into attack
 

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No, he is a deep lying playmaker and no he isn't better when getting forward, he is better when he can control the flow of the game from a relatively deep position and adequate but unnatural when asked to move into the final third.
The “box to box” comment was sarcasm responding to a post given the description they gave was as a box to box player.

If you read further comments you will see how I view him which is sort of similar to CarRick with lesser passing ability but superior ball carrying ability. But he’s still not someone I would trust to hold a midfield together hence why I’d say he is better with a more defensive midfielder which people seem to be disagreeing with as to me he DeJong is not a DM.

More so what MyOnlySolskjaer just said, Someone to help our transitions from defence to attack.
 

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The “box to box” comment was sarcasm responding to a post given the description they gave was as a box to box player.

If you read further comments you will see how I view him which is sort of similar to CarRick with lesser passing ability but superior ball carrying ability. But he’s still not someone I would trust to hold a midfield together hence why I’d say he is better with a more defensive midfielder which people seem to be disagreeing with as to me he DeJong is not a DM.

More so what MyOnlySolskjaer just said, Someone to help our transitions from defence to attack.
Not necessarily with a more defensive player but simply not alone. His partners at Ajax weren't defensive juggernauts and again he is the one that was used as a CB.
 

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Nah still not believing this.

will wait until he’s sat next to Erik signing the contract.
 

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Nah still not believing this.

will wait until he’s sat next to Erik signing the contract.
Even then it would be too early to believe. Just wait until December when the Caf is filled with threads about how he's underperforming because he clearly didn't want to come here, or how he should've never been signed because he didn't fit our setup.
 

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I'm aboard. Like I said before, Barca clearly want to sell and it's pretty obvious that ETH would be interested in signing him. The fit is there. It's a matter of whether FDJ wants to come here.