1) De Jong isn’t going to join a club he doesn’t want to join. See Dembele in January. He doesn’t have to leave. 2) Barcelona are desperate to sell. 3) The Fee has zero relevance to this situation in making him more likely to join us. He will decide where he wants to go. 4) You’ve literally just said 70m quid and wages over 250k a week plus whatever agent fees is nothing. It’s a huge investment. You’re talking out of your bollocks. Let’s just end this debate now.
Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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The second flag is slightly redder than the first De Jong to Red Devils slightly more confirmed.
I think if this does go ahead, the figures will be much lower than what’s being quoted right now. United hold all the cards on this one.
I’m going to call him slim frank
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You seem like you are incapable of discussing anything without throwing insults needlessly. Jeez. Anyways, let’s agree to disagree then. But once again, let me ask you what do you think the fee would be if de Jong moves on as you seem to be so sure of dismissing the 70m price ? Would you answer this time or you gonna intentionally ignore again ? I’m asking repeatedly ever since the discussion began as I was genuinely interested to know your point of view regarding the price but you keep telling it won’t be this it won’t be that yet not manage to say somehow how much you think it can be ? Bloody hell.
I haven’t insulted you - I said you’re talking bollocks when you say 70m plus the wages we’re talking about is nothing. It quite obviously isn’t nothing. It’s a massive investment. I haven’t got a scooby what he will go for or if he’s even going to leave - nobody is paying £70m for him though with his wages and Barca’s situation. I’d be astounded if we pay more than £55m for any player this summer with the amount of players required.
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My hope was/is:
De Jong (Fred) - New #8 (Garner)
but reports are that McTominay is in Ten Hag's plans, so who knows.
Well of course he is. Nothing was ever going to change.
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Personally, I think we need another CM to partner him. I don't think we have anyone who fits the bill myself. He has to be composed in possession, disciplined positionally and versatile enough to drop deep when Frenkie ventures forwards (usually due to dribbling with the ball rather than off the ball movement) and venture forwards himself when Frenkie is dictating from deep.
Out of our current options, yes, I'd say Fred is the best fit. I just think that he's better at pressing ahead of a sitter (as Frenkie prefers to press than sit himself) than sitting and remaining positionally disciplined. I think we may end up being too easy to play through as a result. Then again, ten Hag converted Schone into said player so I wouldn't write it off. I'm very curious as to what he has planned if we land de Jong.
I've never been keen on Neves myself. Too immobile and weak under pressure for me. If Kanté were a few years younger, or Rice was like a £100m cheaper, I'd be on board with those links.
Make the switch Frankie, they don’t want you there and we’re not that bad. Don’t be a clingy girlfriend.
I second that. No chance.
It’s all down to de jong then… Barca want to sell, we want to buy but does de jong want to join. Really hope we get this over the line for a reasonable price.. he’s the type of midfielder to transform our midfield all together.
Seems like momentum is building. Was pretty pessimistic about this happening just a couple of days ago, but things are definitely happening now. Could see some big breaking news happening in the next couple of days.
It almost feels like he has some clause in his contract which will make Barcelona pay him a hefty sum if they officially transfer list him, so they are trying to do everything but actually say that he is for sale.
Surely allowing us to speak to him after agreeing a fee would trigger that, not someone speaking out in the press. It’s more likely they’re trying to save face with their own fans.
I never rule anything out. People are people, which means circumstances change and so do their desires and willingness to do or accept certain things. Wasn't that the case w Suarez? AND Messi?
As an aside I'm reminded of the case of Robinho who thought he joined United and never left after realizing.
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I so wanted to watch it, but stopped after about 3 minutes.
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sorry, the analysis is good though, just couldn't take the way he pronounced some players names.He's talking shit about you @RaeesI so wanted to watch it, but stopped after about 3 minutes.
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His problems at Barça are the tactics. In the past their inside-midfielders(Xavi and Iniesta) would play deeper, close to Busquets position, receiving the ball all the time and controling the tempo. That role would suit FDJ very well. But know is different. Busquets remains the central figure, but the other two midfielders need to start higher in the pitch, and perform more offensive actions. Because the full backs many times will occupy that empty space in the middle. In other words, they expect him to be more involved in attack.
It was the same problem with Arthur Melo. Of course FDJ is more talented and maybe could learn how to fit in that style.
It was the same problem with Arthur Melo. Of course FDJ is more talented and maybe could learn how to fit in that style.
Isnt he a south African who sounds like he moved over to the UK a while ago? Thus the strange accent combo and pronunciation.I so wanted to watch it, but stopped after about 3 minutes.
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At any rate, based on that video analysis, I can see how United fans --- in six months time -- will be wondering why ETH bought him. He isn't some assist superstar nor is he one who goes box2box or some flashy attacking genius. EPL fans always like grafters.
And United fans will be wondering (and be disappointed) why we blew most of the transfer budget on someone who does really 'nothing' in like 2023.
''The enigma that is Frenkie De Jong.''
''ETH is a fraudster -- just wasted 70million on a person who isn't much better than McTom.''
Dutch Cleverley.
Lazy slouth!
Frenkie will be the chasm or the litmus test of those who watch football and those who professionally work in football esp coaching going forward.
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He does this every time he plays in Orange.
I would love to have him at United but i think he was touched, feels attached to Barca already and wants to succeed there.
United must avoid players with that sentiment, for example Dimaria. He didnt want to come here.
United must avoid players with that sentiment, for example Dimaria. He didnt want to come here.
Can’t see this one happening.
Yeah this signing is so key because could lead to more top players interested in joining
A case of needs meeting demand.
I think it will happen:
1. There is a relationship between the two so there is trust.
2. Barca is open to selling Frenkie -- so he must know that he ain't their top dog there and isn't indispensable. That's never a good feeling for a player that the shoe could fall off anytime. If may not this summer, maybe next ... but this summer at least he trusts who he will be playing for.
3. ETH sees him as the building block or foundational player for the way he wants United should play going forward. He needs to put the pieces together but needs to start with his base. It may blow the budget but then if he is that critical, he will have to make his priorities and get other pieces next summer.
4. United's management knows Barca desperately need the money to bring in Lewandowski to form that vaunted Dad's Army Twin striking force with Abba. And being the 1st ETH window, and a new management approach, they cant not support ETH.
It will be ETH's decision to pull the plug and not his bosses. He will need to decide how much that cost will be at the sacrifice of not getting other needs, this summer.
Yeah Verratti has always been my dream CM signing, however this would be pretty damn close in quality but still not believing
Frenkie De Jong absolutely has world class talent, and a skill set that only really Modric and Verratti have in world football. He hasn't been used properly by Barca the past few years, but he has still played really well for them (moreso before last season), but in a different role. For Netherlands, he is world class without a doubt, and he was quailty for Ajax though a young player. It's one of those that if he came here and Ten Hag used him like he used him before, then he would instantly be up there with Thiago and De Bruyne as the best midfielders in the league. Without a doubt in my mind. And unlike Pogba... he is actually suited to being a deep lying playmaker.
Proper player, but unconventional. Not really a #6 or a traditional B2B midfielder, or creative midfielder. Nor is he a DLP like old Scholes/Kroos/Jorginho.
He likes to take the ball from the defence, and carry it forward using his brilliant dribbling and body feints. He is the link player between defence and attack, and needs to have a #6 next to him who can protect and shield the defence. ETH once said he had to use "two #6s" to ensure to get the best out of De Jong. Netherlands do that, and so did Ajax. But Barca dont, and their play goes through Busquets.
ETH built his team around Frenkie De Jong at Ajax. I'm quite sure he will do the same at United.
He likes to take the ball from the defence, and carry it forward using his brilliant dribbling and body feints. He is the link player between defence and attack, and needs to have a #6 next to him who can protect and shield the defence. ETH once said he had to use "two #6s" to ensure to get the best out of De Jong. Netherlands do that, and so did Ajax. But Barca dont, and their play goes through Busquets.
ETH built his team around Frenkie De Jong at Ajax. I'm quite sure he will do the same at United.
I agree. Although Modric is more of a creator, and Veratti's passing range is better I feel. FDJ's ball carrying ability is probably better than both.
Bellingham is also one to look out for.
Are the New United still begging him to come to us?
Glad things have changed & we have learnt our lesson ..........
Glad things have changed & we have learnt our lesson ..........
As long as he didn’t criticise the analysis - can always work on the pronunciations
How are we going to offer him more than his current 350k /week salay? I think this is the problem. Barcelona want to cut on player salaries, he has 3 option, satying at Barcelona on current salay and facing rage from the board, or accepts salary cut, or join united with a bit lower salary but still good one.
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