Gabriel Obertan | 2010/11 Performances

[TheMancRedDevil]

And another thing! (I knew there was something else).

You're an up and coming player who is often played out on the wing and some people believe that your reading of the game isn't as good as it should be. You're sat next to a wing legend. The player with the appearance record for Manchester United. The player who has more experience than any other at United.

Given that you're sat next to him for a full 90 minutes watching the game. What do you do?

a) Listen to you iPod.

b) Pick his brains. Ask him what he's seeing out there? Ask him where he would run? Who he would pass to? etc etc etc

 

[sincher]

Oh Ryan, zat is amazing.

 

[Sir A1ex]

And another thing! (I knew there was something else).

You're an up and coming player who is often played out on the wing and some people believe that your reading of the game isn't as good as it should be. You're sat next to a wing legend. The player with the appearance record for Manchester United. The player who has more experience than any other at United.

Given that you're sat next to him for a full 90 minutes watching the game. What do you do?

a) Listen to you iPod.

b) Pick his brains. Ask him what he's seeing out there? Ask him where he would run? Who he would pass to? etc etc etc

That's not another thing, I made that point ages ago, but apparently it's irrelevant.

 

[Sir A1ex]

BTW - they showed a slightly longer clip on MOTD2, and Bebe puts his phone away in his pocket within seconds, so as suspected he's off the hook, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

Surprisingly enough though, Obertan didn't take his headphones off within the duration of the clip.

 

[TheMancRedDevil]

That's not another thing, I made that point ages ago, but apparently it's irrelevant.

Sorry, I must have missed it.

Well, the fact that it crossed both of our minds despite usually being poles apart in our views suggests that there will have been many others in between who thought the same.

 

[Sir A1ex]

Sorry, I must have missed it.

Well, the fact that it crossed both of our minds despite usually being poles apart in our views suggests that there will have been many others in between who thought the same.

I wouldn't say our views on most issues are usually poles apart, it's just that you're irredeemably, massively wrong and myopic on one particular point.

 

[afrocentricity]

I wouldn't say our views on most issues are usually poles apart, it's just that you're irredeemably, massively wrong and myopic on one particular point.

Another thing you two have in common then

 

[Sir A1ex]

Another thing you two have in common then

Better than being irredeemably, massively wrong and myopic on every point, like some people I could mention...

 

[TheMancRedDevil]

I wouldn't say our views on most issues are usually poles apart, it's just that you're irredeemably, massively wrong and myopic on one particular point.

I think you will find that on the one issue we have clashed over in the past, the opposite was the case.

But's let's leave this one where it should be eh?

 

[afrocentricity]

Better than being irredeemably, massively wrong and myopic on every point, like some people I could mention...

Moi? I'm always right... even when I'm wrong

 

[giggsyflying]

no matter how ppl defend obertan. it is a matter of fact that he still has not demonstrated he is a good player. i wont blame bebe but i would want to know why he was bought when saf has not seen him playing a game

 

[I'm always right]

no matter how ppl defend obertan. it is a matter of fact that he still has not demonstrated he is a good player. i wont blame bebe but i would want to know why he was bought when saf has not seen him playing a game

Capital letters & grammar are your friends!

 

[lynchie]

Looks like Giggsy's just stuffing his phone in his pocket there as well.

 

[TheMancRedDevil]

Looks like Giggsy's just stuffing his phone in his pocket there as well.

He probably just sent Bebe the text...

"I dare you to take Sir Bobby's hat off".

 

[Amir]

b) Pick his brains. Ask him what he's seeing out there? Ask him where he would run? Who he would pass to? etc etc etc

We've discussed that before. Do remember he sees Ryan everyday in training, has surely sat next to him in matches, and must have talked with him once or twice...

 

[TheMancRedDevil]

We've discussed that before. Do remember he sees Ryan everyday in training, has surely sat next to him in matches, and must have talked with him once or twice...

Fair enough. I couldn't really give a shit to be honest. It's his career, he can do what he wants with it. If he'd rather listen to some shit on his iPod than talk to Ryan Giggs, that's cool.

 

[Red Defence]

Fair enough. I couldn't really give a shit to be honest. It's his career, he can do what he wants with it. If he'd rather listen to some shit on his iPod than talk to Ryan Giggs, that's cool.

What makes you think Ryan wants to sit there and be badgered by Obertan all through the match......bet Giggs was relieved he had headphones on.

 

[Alex]

What makes you think Ryan wants to sit there and be badgered by Obertan all through the match......bet Giggs was relieved he had headphones on.

If that were true then all the more reason Obertán should be shipped out.

 

[Red Defence]

If that were true then all the more reason Obertán should be shipped out.

Why, because Giggs doesn't like chatting during matches.

 

[redwhiteblack]

I have to say, I don't like to see players sitting fiddling with iphones etc while their team is playing. And I'm kind of surprised it's allowed.

I mean, these are young players who in all honesty are below the standards they need to be at in order to succeed at United. Surely they should be paying attention to the game?

 

[Red Defence]

I have to say, I don't like to see players sitting fiddling with iphones etc while their team is playing. And I'm kind of surprised it's allowed.

I mean, these are young players who in all honesty are below the standards they need to be at in order to succeed at United. Surely they should be paying attention to the game?

Yes, really they should be watching it....but they are allowed to look away for a few secs every now and then.

 

[Aaron]

Are people STILL moaning about the mobile phone thing?

Blimey. Are you sure we're all not middle aged Daily Mail readers here?

 

[championo]

What if he was watching the game on his phone and loves to listen to commentary while watching it live as well? I sometimes do that to games that I go to just to also have the option of hearing or knowing what the commentators see or are talking about.

 

[Aaron]

What if he was watching the game on his phone and loves to listen to commentary while watching it live as well? I sometimes do that to games that I go to just to also have the option of hearing or knowing what the commentators see or are talking about.

Or he just prefers listening to music whilst watching the game?

I hardly think Fergie is going to throw a hissy fit because he's missing the 'You Fat Bastard!' chant aimed at Rooney or isn't picking up on the delightful tonal nuances in the home fans singing 'Wanker'...again, at Rooney.

 

[7dan]

that bastard!!! im outraged utterly outraged he has the cheek to look at his phone and wear headphones at a match..... how dare you sir how dare you.

Im going to write a letter to Manchester united and demand action to be taken, i want justice,

 

[Red Defence]

What if he was watching the game on his phone and loves to listen to commentary while watching it live as well? I sometimes do that to games that I go to just to also have the option of hearing or knowing what the commentators see or are talking about.

I used to do that all the time. It helps too if you can't see what's going on clearly and stops you from asking other people all the time.

 

[TheMancRedDevil]

Or he just prefers listening to music whilst watching the game?

I hardly think Fergie is going to throw a hissy fit because he's missing the 'You Fat Bastard!' chant aimed at Rooney or isn't picking up on the delightful tonal nuances in the home fans singing 'Wanker'...again, at Rooney.

Judging by his last performance, he'd be well advised to start wearing them when he plays as well, then!

I dunno what it is, I can't put my finger on it. I've bandied out a few theories but I'm not sure. I just know that as soon as I saw it on MOTD I thought, "That looks... wrong..."

Clearly some people don't have a problem with it but some others did. It might be the old rose tinted specs coming into play here but can anyone remember any of the young uns from the Giggs/Beckham/Scholes/Neville days wearing headphones while watching a match back in the day?

And before anyone says "iPods weren't invented." No, I know they weren't but portable CD players were.

BIG EDIT: And the music was better.

 

[redwhiteblack]

Judging by his last performance, he'd be well advised to start wearing them when he plays as well, then!

I dunno what it is, I can't put my finger on it. I've bandied out a few theories but I'm not sure. I just know that as soon as I saw it on MOTD I thought, "That looks... wrong..."

Clearly some people don't have a problem with it but some others did. It might be the old rose tinted specs coming into play here but can anyone remember any of the young uns from the Giggs/Beckham/Scholes/Neville days wearing headphones while watching a match back in the day?

And before anyone says "iPods weren't invented." No, I know they weren't but portable CD players were.

Yeah, I think to be honest, players like Giggs, Scholes, Rooney, Nev etc are born and raised students of the game - they've all expressed interest in coaching after their careers (except maybe Scholes...I'm not sure) whereas your younger, foreign lads tend (not always, obviously) to have an attitude that is slightly more flippant. They're not only a different generation, but from a different culture and probably with totally different ambitions and reasons for being at United.

 

[RedThaiDevils#7]

So is this it for Ober's ? Not saying that trying Rafa + Fabio on the wings was bad, but if your a 4th choice winger and you didn't get game time ahead of fullbacks, certainly that must be a confidence blow or something...

 

[charleysurf]

So is this it for Ober's ? Not saying that trying Rafa + Fabio on the wings was bad, but if your a 4th choice winger and you didn't get game time ahead of fullbacks, certainly that must be a confidence blow or something...

He's a waste of time. It appalls me that hes been getting playing time that Josh King could have been getting, let alone Fabio.

 

[RedThaiDevils#7]

He's a waste of time. It appalls me that hes been getting playing time that Josh King could have been getting, let alone Fabio.

But King is a striker ain't he ? Obers is a winger... plays behind the striker only when Macheda is up front because of their playing time in the reserves together...

Would love to see J.King push up but still its early days and with Hernandez being totally awesome, he'll need a bit more time.

 

[datura]

But King is a striker ain't he ? Obers is a winger... plays behind the striker only when Macheda is up front because of their playing time in the reserves together...

Would love to see J.King push up but still its early days and with Hernandez being totally awesome, he'll need a bit more time.

King can play in any position of a front 3. He could also play as a winger, although he wouldn't be as effective.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

So is this it for Ober's ? ....

If that was the case he wouldn't have made the bench.

 

[OneUnited24]

But King is a striker ain't he ? Obers is a winger... plays behind the striker only when Macheda is up front because of their playing time in the reserves together...

Would love to see J.King push up but still its early days and with Hernandez being totally awesome, he'll need a bit more time.

I think managers like playing young strikers on the wings because it allows them to get a touch of the ball, SAF has done it with both Welbeck and Kiko. Still i would rather see King get a run out than Obertan, im not writing him off but i have only seen a few sparks of what Obertan can offer and thats just a handful of event from his first season.

 

[Garethw]

It's all Ober for him.

 

[RedThaiDevils#7]

Got two goals in the reserve with Petrucci setting him up, having a hard time finding the reserve match, can anyone enlighten me ?

 

[Decotron]

Got two goals in the reserve with Petrucci setting him up, having a hard time finding the reserve match, can anyone enlighten me ?

Keep an eye on the thread in the reserve forum as Girish II will no doubt post highlights at some point.

 

[Elliott]

Got two goals in the reserve with Petrucci setting him up, having a hard time finding the reserve match, can anyone enlighten me ?

In contemplation, if a man begins with certainties, he shall end in doubts - but if he be content to begin with doubts, he shall end in certainties.

 

[sincher]

Is that Confucius, or Girish II?

 

[Inigo Montoya]

Is that Confucius, or Girish II?

It's certainly pretentious