I've never played the Soul games myself but I remember they got many votes. I just think they had the rounds with the most difficult competition.
I think it was just the scaling down and an attempt to 'modernise' the game... I wouldn't call it a bad effort but I feel it could have been so much better - a difficult job though to remake arguably the greatest game of all time.
Crazy to think it didn't make it to the round of 32 in IGN's tournament.
What a villain!Yeah. I was involved in the voting but kind of feel like you with this final list. Too many obvious omissions for me personally to feel like I'd just be throwing votes around now for the sake of it. As such I'll sit this one out I think.
I still haven't beaten the final boss. Was so annoying I rage quite after half a dozen attempts because it's very long winded getting back to the same point. Maybe I should re-download it and try again now I've expanded my PS5 memory.
No chance, they were co-created by Japan Studio, which is a first-party Sony studio, and published by Sony.
To think of it differently, Alex Kidd aside (my bad
), are there many games in here that you can categorically say do not deserve to be in the top 30?Probably not. It is an objectively good list but there's probably only 10 I've played enough to vote for and though they might sneak into a top 30 for me I wouldn't put some of them in a top 10. I also feel like I'm voting for inferior versions of better games RDR < RDR2, GTA San Andreas < GTA 5, Mass Effect < Mass Effect 2 etc.... if that makes sense.To think of it differently, Alex Kidd aside (my bad
Honest question as I haven't played a bunch of them but the ones I have played, I know deserve their spot!
I think souls came behind TLOU and RDR both of which I love. No issue with RDR but is TLOU really much more than the sophisticated friend of the blockbuster uncharted. Its nothing ground breaking
Except for Alex Kiddo for which he must be held accountable
I thought it was a masterpiece (although hadn't played Uncharted at the time - I've never played it actually).I think shite is a bit harsh. The list is the list and like all lists probably rooted in a lot of nostaligia (which is fine) but also deeply personal to each individual. To call it shite is to dismiss the personal experience of everyone that voted them.
I used to think of you as a decent person.
It is a masterpiece of its genre, I loved it too but its only uncharted with a brilliant story and different setting
I'm a bit miffed DS didn't get in as well but it's just a consequence of being surrounded by other great games, only so many could get through.
Haha. Tbf that might be recency bias. As an unapologetic 90's hip hop fanboi, San Andreas was the perfect setting for me. Certainly better than 4 where all I can remember is having to take Niko out on various dates for no apparent reason.
If you'd never played a GTA game and you'd put the two next to each other, obviously most people would find GTA V the better game. By the time it came out though, I had grown tired of the formula and it just didn't have any impact, unlike the PS2 trilogy that just kept blowing me away and I couldn't put down. I must've played each of those titles for god knows how many months. We'd talk about it at school, play it together with friends, it was a phenomenon. I'm sure a lot of gamers of the same generation will feel that way. That's why I would never have GTA V anywhere near a list of greatest games. It's a bit of nostalgia of course, but it's also judging a game against what we had at the time.
I'd say there are plenty. But it's obviously subjective. For example I think there are tons and tons of games better than World of Warcraft and Age of Empire. Last of Us would make my top 30 but its gameplay was too weak for top 10. I'm a fan of the PES series and always champion it on this forum. But it's never a top 10 game, even 30 is a huge stretch given the sheer quantum of great games till date.To think of it differently, Alex Kidd aside (my bad
Honest question as I haven't played a bunch of them but the ones I have played, I know deserve their spot!
) etc but there are many factors involved.Yep, which is why I was talking about nostalgia and personal experience in my earlier post. Ultimately when creating a list do you base all your picks on nostalgia or do you have to step back and say this thing is objectively not as good as ones that came after? Do you place more importance on innovation or on tweaking the formula to perfection?
Exactly this. Vice City and San Andreas are ground breaking titles, at the time there was nothing else like it and the interactiveness of the gameworld was something else. And San Andreas genuinely has an incredible story overall as well. GTA 5 was more of a rehashed release of the existing formula with slightly better graphics but there was never any interest for people who had already played previous titles. Still many new players got on it, and the online community is huge and it is still a pretty fun game to play, it's still GTA. Just not anywhere near the previous ones.
Let's see how the top 10 looks!
But at the same time, TLOU targeted a more casual gamer (like me) where I would never play a game like Dark Souls, which feels too hardcore for my old age! TLOU is akin to a massive blockbuster movies, let's say Avengers whereas Dark Souls is probably for more of a sophisticated taste, like a solid indie movie that blew up. TLOU will always get more votes unless you are talking to the most hardcore gamers.
Thank you for the compliment
Thanks mate, appreciate it.
We haven't seen the top 10 yet so let's wait for that. I will fight for PES to the top of the mountain. It's the pinnacle of sports games and should, IMO, be in every GOAT discussion at the very least.I'd say there are plenty. But it's obviously subjective. For example I think there are tons and tons of games better than World of Warcraft and Age of Empire. Last of Us would make my top 30 but its gameplay was too weak for top 10. I'm a fan of the PES series and always champion it on this forum. But it's never a top 10 game, even 30 is a huge stretch given the sheer quantum of great games till date.
But these things are so subjective. Something I dislike or love, someone else will feel the opposite. Purely based on quality I feel you have to have, for example one DS game, Sekiro, Snake Eater, Nier Automata, OUTER WILDS (I bold this so I hope it catches attention
I think it's a mixture. I remember SF2 due to nostalgia AND a big part of why I loved it even back then is because of how innovative it was so I guess this goes hand in hand.
Yep can’t say ive played either of those.
I would never disregard the impact and importance of a game at the time of its release, but only if I experienced it myself. I'm not going to go looking further back in time for impactful games that I only got to play much later, when their impact was much diminished. But if someone comes along and says Pong is their greatest game of all time because they actually played it back then and it changed everything for them, I'm also not going to go against that.
I think you have to have experienced it at the time as there's no way it can impact someone the same years after.
Objectively the likes of Vice City and San Andreas at the time they were released were easily better games than GTA 5 - in terms of originality, storyline/dialogue, interacting with the gameworld, etc etc. As far as video games are concerned - innovation is pretty much one of the most important criteria. When you create something that is both new and groundbreaking as well as an all round quality product in all other aspects that would always be regarded higher than something that took the same thing and just improved the graphics. Unless the newer version also implemented some of the aspects to the game that were completely new and add a significant upgrade to the whole experience.
Yes that's what I mean, if I didn't experience it, it would never make my own list. But I would respect its presence on a collective list if it was put on there by people who did experience it.
Yes exactly.
Yeah, said the same earlier. If you weren't there to try the previous versions which actually set the stage then fair enough. I only played Oblivion in TES for example and I know people who played Morrowind would be saying that THAT is the real OG etc.
only glaring omission for me is any of the Zelda series. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a best of list without at least 1. (There would be 3 on it if I had my way)
You are part of the problem
Exactly.
So true. Although you are all morons for not voting Tekken 3/Tag Tournament to make the finals
So true. Although you are all morons for not voting Tekken 3/Tag Tournament to make the finals
Yeah. Ocarina of Time not being on it is a genuine tragedy. That and Breath of the Wild would probably both be in my top 10.
