Gareth Bale is...The most expensive player ever?!

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That's basically saying the same thing but in milder terms which was my point exactly.

It still doesn't address the consistency issue which he has yet to achieve.
My point is that the stronger terms are approprate for the game in question, but you implied that they aren't.

As for consistency, does 8 goals and 5 assists (so far this season) count for anything? Or how about being voted PFA player of the year last time around?
 

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My point is that the stronger terms are approprate for the game in question, but you implied that they aren't.

As for consistency, does 8 goals and 5 assists (so far this season) count for anything? Or how about being voted PFA player of the year last time around?
Are you really taking an award voted on the back of a couple of good games in the Champions League, surrounded my a mass of unproductive games as a signal of consistency? Bale winning PFA Player of the year was a joke.
 

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I don't think he's overrated.

He had some injuries last year that slowed him down. Other than that, he's been a fantastic player. United fans just look for anything about Parker and Bale because they won awards. It's petty and rather lame.
It's feck all to do with the awards, it's to do with him not being The most exciting British player since Best, or the best left sided player in the world, or bettered only by Ronaldo and Messi (with some in the British media saying he was as good as Messi). If that's not over rating a player I don't know what is. Yeah he's a good player, a very good player, but an exceptional George Best like talent, in the upper echelons of world football? I think not.
 

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Are you really taking an award voted on the back of a couple of good games in the Champions League, surrounded my a mass of unproductive games as a signal of consistency? Bale winning PFA Player of the year was a joke.
So his fellow professionals know nothing about football and you know everything - right?

How many games did you actually see Bale play in last season (and I'm not talking about MOTD highlights) out of the 39 he appeared in?

And you realise he scored 11 goals (not too shabby for a left winger) - right?
 

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All this Bale talk comes off a couple of games where admittedly he was superb, but to counter that slightly, the best right back in the world (debatable) is known for the quality of his work going forward, he's not a great defender, and he just couldn't cope with Bale's pace and power. If anything those games shows that he IS a kick and run player, because that's exactly how he destroyed Maicon, by kicking the ball past him and killing him for pace.

So yes, a couple of superb champions league performances, but when did he last standout against one of the big English teams? When did he last tear one of them apart? In fact, when has he ever?
 

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So his fellow professionals know nothing about football and you know everything - right?

How many games did you actually see Bale play in last season (and I'm not talking about MOTD highlights) out of the 39 he appeared in?

And you realise he scored 11 goals (not too shabby for a left winger) - right?
Are you really trying to justify the PotY award? It was a result of ridiculous hype of Bale in the media and the fact that Nani is an unlikeable player (at least he still had that reputation last season)
 

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But he did tear Maicon to shreds, in both legs ... it wasn't just that he was "too much to handle for Maicon".

Nor did he merely have an "excellent game against Inter Milan" - it was a truly stunning performance and actually quite difficult to overhype. feck me - away at the San Siro, down to 10 men and he scores a bloody hat-trick, each one an absolute peach ... what more do you want before a few superlatives are allowed?
Inter were a shambles that season. They got absolutely caned 7 - 2 by Schalke who for my money were one of the worst teams to ever get into the semi final.
 

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So his fellow professionals know nothing about football and you know everything - right?

How many games did you actually see Bale play in last season (and I'm not talking about MOTD highlights) out of the 39 he appeared in?

And you realise he scored 11 goals (not too shabby for a left winger) - right?
We're using statistics are we? Fair enough.

PREMIER LEAGUE*** SEASON 2010-11 *
* TOTAL COMBINED GOALS & ASSISTS *
* PLAYER TEAM GLS ASS COMB *
* Carlos Tevez Manchester City 21 6 27 *
* Didier Drogba Chelsea 12 15 27 *
* Luis Nani Manchester United 9 18 27 *
* Dimitar Berbatov Manchester United 21 4 25 *
* Robin van Persie Arsenal 18 7 25 *
* Peter Odemwingie West Bromwich Albion 15 9 24 *
* Rafael van der Vaart Tottenham Hotspur 13 9 22 *
* Wayne Rooney Manchester United 11 11 22 *
* Dirk Kuyt Liverpool 13 8 21 *
* Charlie Adam Blackpool 12 9 21 *
* Darren Bent Aston Villa 17 2 19 *
* Andrew Carroll Liverpool 13 6 19 *
* Florent Malouda Chelsea 13 5 18 *
* Ashley Young Aston Villa 7 11 18 *
* Fernando Torres Chelsea 10 7 17 *
* Charles N'Zogbia Wigan Athletic 9 8 17 *
* Andrey Arshavin Arsenal 6 11 17 *
* Francesc Fabregas Arsenal 3 14 17 *
* Dudley Campbell Blackpool 13 3 16 *
* Johan Elmander Bolton Wanderers 10 6 16 *
* Theo Walcott Arsenal 9 7 16 *
* Stewart Downing Aston Villa 7 9 16 *
* Leighton Baines Everton 5 11 16 *
* Javier Hernandez Manchester United 13 2 15 *
* Clint Dempsey Fulham 12 3 15 *
* Asamoah Gyan Sunderland 10 5 15 *
* Salomon Kalou Chelsea 10 5 15 *
* Chris Brunt West Bromwich Albion 4 11 15 *
* Kevin Nolan Newcastle United 12 2 14 *
* Frank Lampard Chelsea 10 4 14 *
* Roman Pavlyuchenko Tottenham Hotspur 10 4 14 *
* Kevin Davies Bolton Wanderers 8 6 14 *
* Steven Fletcher Wolverhampton Wand 10 3 13 *
* Tim Cahill Everton 9 4 13 *
* Marouane Chamakh Arsenal 7 6 13 *
* Gary Taylor-Fletcher Blackpool 6 7 13 *
* Gnegneri Toure Yaya Manchester City 6 7 13 *
* Matthew Etherington Stoke City 5 8 13 *
* David Silva Manchester City 4 9 13 *
* Joey Barton Newcastle United 4 9 13 *
* Peter Crouch Tottenham Hotspur 4 9 13 *
* Nicolas Anelka Chelsea 6 6 12 *
* Shola Ameobi Newcastle United 6 6 12 *
* Marc Albrighton Aston Villa 5 7 12 *
* Raul Meireles Liverpool 5 7 12 *
* Matthew Jarvis Wolverhampton Wand 4 8 12 *
* Rodriguez Maxi Liverpool 10 1 11 *
* Samir Nasri Arsenal 10 1 11 *
* Hugo Rodallega Wigan Athletic 9 2 11 *
* Kenwyne Jones Stoke City 9 2 11 *
* Frederic Piquionne West Ham United 6 5 11 *
* Peter Lovenkrands Newcastle United 6 5 11 *
* Bobby Zamora Fulham 5 6 11 *
* Chung-Yong Lee Bolton Wanderers 3 8 11 *
* Jerome Thomas West Bromwich Albion 3 8 11 *
* Jermaine Beckford Everton 8 2 10 *
* Nikola Zigic Birmingham City 5 5 10 *
* Adam Johnson Manchester City 4 6 10 *
* Leon Osman Everton 4 6 10 *
* Morten Gamst Pedersen Blackburn 4 6 10 *
* Sebastian Larsson Birmingham City 4 6 10 *
* Cameron Jerome Birmingham City 3 7 10 *
* Jermaine Pennant Stoke City 3 7 10 *
* Ryan Giggs Manchester United 2 8 10 *
* Sylvan Ebanks-Blake Wolverhampton Wand 7 2 9 *
* Jonathan Walters Stoke City 6 3 9 *
* Robert Huth Stoke City 6 3 9 *
* Carlton Cole West Ham United 5 4 9 *
* Jason Roberts Blackburn 5 4 9 *
* Kevin Doyle Wolverhampton Wand 5 4 9 *
* Luke Varney Blackpool 5 4 9 *
* Branislav Ivanovic Chelsea 4 5 9 *
* Luis Suarez Liverpool 4 5 9 *
* Steven Gerrard Liverpool 4 5 9 *
* Craig Gardner Birmingham City 8 * 8 *
* Daniel Sturridge Bolton Wanderers 8 * 8 *
* Gareth Bale Tottenham Hotspur 7 1 8 *
* Louis Saha Everton 7 1 8 *
* Ji-Sung Park Manchester United 5 3 8 *
* Scott Parker West Ham United 5 3 8 *
* Brett Emerton Blackburn 4 4 8 *
* Seamus Coleman Everton 4 4 8 *
* Simon Davies Fulham 4 4 8 *
* Jonas Gutierrez Newcastle United 3 5 8 *
* Jordan Henderson Sunderland 3 5 8 *
* Martin Petrov Bolton Wanderers 3 5 8 *
* Darren Fletcher Manchester United 2 6 8 *
* James Milner Manchester City 1 7 8 *
* Demba Ba West Ham United 7 * 7 *

Players in the premier league to have scored or assisted more than Nani in 2010/11 premier league season - 0

Players in the premier league to have scored or assisted more than Gareth Bale in 2010/11 premier league season- I can't be arsed counting, feel free if you choose. Let's just say a lot eh? To put it into perspective, Ji Sung Park scored/assisted the same amount of goals in the Premier League that Gareth Bale did.

But yes, Bale was clearly the best player in the league last year.

Hint Glaston: if you're struggling to find Gareth Bale's figures, head to the bottom of the list, he's down there below Robert Huth, Branislav Ivanovic, Matthew Etherington, Leon Osman and Jermaine Pennant etc.
 

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Berbatov scored a hatrick against Liverpool but he's apparently the most expensive flop to ever play for United.
 

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He was overhyped due to his Inter performance... didn't think it was even debatable. I like his kick and rush style, though.
 

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Are you really trying to justify the PotY award? It was a result of ridiculous hype of Bale in the media and the fact that Nani is an unlikeable player (at least he still had that reputation last season)
Bale was certainly well worth being one of the short-listed nominees for the award. Whether he should have won it is a more open question, but his winning it was very far from being a "joke" - which was the point I responded to.
 

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Bale was certainly well worth being one of the short-listed nominees for the award. Whether he should have won it is a more open question, but his winning it was very far from being a "joke" - which was the point I responded to.
Really? The stats (which you brought up might I add) would suggest otherwise.
 

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... But yes, Bale was clearly the best player in the league last year....
So you're miffed that a Man. Utd player didn't win the award - I get it.

Shall I repeat my earlier question? How many games did you actually see Bale play in last season (and I'm not talking about MOTD highlights) out of the 39 he appeared in?
 

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Bale was certainly well worth being one of the short-listed nominees for the award. Whether he should have won it is a more open question, but his winning it was very far from being a "joke" - which was the point I responded to.
Well it was a joke though. He was by no means player of the year or even near it.
 

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Bale was certainly well worth being one of the short-listed nominees for the award. Whether he should have won it is a more open question, but his winning it was very far from being a "joke" - which was the point I responded to.
Of course it was laughable, Spurs fans sensibly voted for Modric who was far better.
 

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Do you think it was close between Bale and Nani last year? Obviously not. Was the difference between them substantial, yes, so the award was a joke.
 

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So you're miffed that a Man. Utd player didn't win the award - I get it.

Shall I repeat my earlier question? How many games did you actually see Bale play in last season (and I'm not talking about MOTD highlights) out of the 39 he appeared in?
I watched every match he played on the telly, my brother in law is a Spurs fan, he comes to mine to watch the games.

I enjoy watching Spurs play, have nowt against them, and think Bale is a good player. Best good? Nah. Messi/Ronaldo good? Nah. Player of the year last year? Nah. Should Nani have won it? Maybe. Did he deserve it more than Bale? Most definitely.

Did you just ignore the stats I posted then, even though you mentioned "11 goals for a left winger isn't too shabby"? Funny you should ignore them when you see how low down the list he is.
 

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It's feck all to do with the awards, it's to do with him not being The most exciting British player since Best, or the best left sided player in the world, or bettered only by Ronaldo and Messi (with some in the British media saying he was as good as Messi). If that's not over rating a player I don't know what is. Yeah he's a good player, a very good player, but an exceptional George Best like talent, in the upper echelons of world football? I think not.
You can pick and choose some random quotes to throw yourself into a fit about anyone.

Fact is, the two players who get the most stick on this site, even though they are quality, are Parker and Bale.

They just both happen to have won awards over United players. It's pretty obvious from where I'm sitting.
 

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.... Did you just ignore the stats I posted then, even though you mentioned "11 goals for a left winger isn't too shabby"? Funny you should ignore them when you see how low down the list he is.
If your list excluded strikers then perhaps I'd be more concerned at how "low down" Bale is in the goals-scored tally for last season.

But it doesn't, so I'm not.

Besides, he's already scored this 8 goals this season, but perhaps that's also a bit shabby for you.

You are determined to portray Bale as pretty much nothing special. But a penny gets you a pound that the vast majority of neutral fans don't share that blinkered view.
 

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You can pick and choose some random quotes to throw yourself into a fit about anyone.

Fact is, the two players who get the most stick on this site, even though they are quality, are Parker and Bale.

They just both happen to have won awards over United players. It's pretty obvious from where I'm sitting.
Sit somewhere where you aren't thick as shit then.
 

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I watched every match he played on the telly, my brother in law is a Spurs fan, he comes to mine to watch the games.

I enjoy watching Spurs play, have nowt against them, and think Bale is a good player. Best good? Nah. Messi/Ronaldo good? Nah. Player of the year last year? Nah. Should Nani have won it? Maybe. Did he deserve it more than Bale? Most definitely.

Did you just ignore the stats I posted then, even though you mentioned "11 goals for a left winger isn't too shabby"? Funny you should ignore them when you see how low down the list he is.
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It's feck all to do with the awards, it's to do with him not being The most exciting British player since Best, or the best left sided player in the world, or bettered only by Ronaldo and Messi (with some in the British media saying he was as good as Messi). If that's not over rating a player I don't know what is. Yeah he's a good player, a very good player, but an exceptional George Best like talent, in the upper echelons of world football? I think not.
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If your list excluded strikers then perhaps I'd be more concerned at how "low down" Bale is in the goals-scored tally for last season.

But it doesn't, so I'm not.

Besides, he's already scored this 8 goals this season, but perhaps that's also a bit shabby for you.

You are determined to portray Bale as pretty much nothing special. But a penny gets you a pound that the vast majority of neutral fans don't share that blinkered view.
So the stats matter when you use them to show Bale in a good light, but not when it shows that as a creative forward player, Robert Huth and Branislav Ivanovic, both centre halves, were more productive in a season where Bale was apparently the best player in England, if not the world? Why am I not surprised.

I've said countless times he's good/very good. He just isn't as good as you say he is.
 

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Sit somewhere where you aren't thick as shit then.
Hold on, I'm reading through all your posts about how Nani should have won the award over Bale, after you wrote your freaking out about Bale has nothing to do with the award.

I'll sit somewhere where I'm not "thick as shit" after that.
 

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I watched every match he played on the telly, my brother in law is a Spurs fan, he comes to mine to watch the games.

I enjoy watching Spurs play, have nowt against them, and think Bale is a good player. Best good? Nah. Messi/Ronaldo good? Nah. Player of the year last year? Nah. Should Nani have won it? Maybe. Did he deserve it more than Bale? Most definitely.

Did you just ignore the stats I posted then, even though you mentioned "11 goals for a left winger isn't too shabby"? Funny you should ignore them when you see how low down the list he is.
Mate I wouldn't let my own brother do that!

I mean a few games fair enough, but EVERY game?! screw that!
 

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Hold on, I'm reading through all your posts about how Nani should have won the award over Bale, after you wrote your freaking out about Bale has nothing to do with the award.

I'll sit somewhere where I'm not "thick as shit" after that.
Show me where I said Nani should have won the award over Bale?

Don't let the truth get in the way of you talking out of your hole and making things up there mate.

I wouldn't just your seat just yet.
 

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Personally, I always think these threads on Bale and the PFA award are always missing some highly relevant factors.

Firstly, the PFA award has always been abit of a lottery and is not always a great reflection of who the best player over the course of the season actually is. The most obvious reason for this is that the voting is carried out fairly early on in the season which misses alot of the actual football played during the season. Not sure on the exact deadline but I recall in the past it was nearly always done and dusted by the midway point of the season. It's always a better reflection of who was playing well from August until December when Bale was one of the country's top performers.

I'm not sure if the PFA have remedied this but this always used to be the case and is shown in some notable past winners and the fact Bale won it suggests to me they have not. I dare anyone to look at the top six players for any year and find someone who was not turning it on up until December. Best example I can recall is the cluster of Newcastle players in 95/96, with the eventual winner being Les Ferdinand and Eric not featuring at all, when he was in most people's eyes the player of the year for that season. Teddy in 00/01 is another good example of a player who was fantastic for half the season but then tailed off significantly. The trend is compelling and is a much better explanation than players voting for Bale because they were taken in by media hype, although I daresay this would have played a part.

You also have to bear in mind that Bale had a very good end to the season in 2009/10 and this will be in some of the players who voted minds when you add his early season form on top of it. That's also going to have some impact on the way the PFA made their decision.

Secondly, the PFA award is an award voted for by players and let's face it I daresay they all have different reasons and criteria for voting and the winners of the award quite often don't parallel with who the fans, media or pundits think is most deserving. Mark Hughes won the award in 88/89 and by his standards it was not one of his best season's for United. I can remember alot of the media explaining this one as Hughesie receiving alot of votes because he gave defenders the hardest game they had that season or because they had respect for how he handled the treatment they dished out and such like. It's an indication of how factors different to what other groups think are relevant can influence who is the ultimate winner.

Similarly Pallister won it in 91/92 and I reckon there was a fair argument he was not our player of the season, let alone the top player in the country. The truth is players have different reasons for handng their vote a certain way than pundits, fans or the media. That's always been the case with the PFA award.

For me, Bale winning the PFA award is actually quite understandable when you realise when the votes are made and who are making the votes. There's always been winners like him throughout the history of the award. It's never been an accurate barometer of who actually was the best in the country for the year for these reasons.

I could be wrong on when the votes are made but if that has altered it's certainly a recent development. I've no idea why the voting could not be done much closer to the end of the actual season but like I said there have always been anomalies with the PFA award which make it a very different award to most others.

Most of the arguments made in this thread are coming from the standpoint of the whole season and are also reflecting the type of criteiria which are important to fans of the game. It's a decent debate but misses the point of what the PFA award is for me. It's an award decided by players and they have different reasons for giving their vote than assist and goal stats, half of which are probably not available to them when they make their decision.
 

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So the stats matter when you use them to show Bale in a good light, but not when it shows that as a creative forward player, Robert Huth and Branislav Ivanovic, both centre halves, were more productive in a season where Bale was apparently the best player in England, if not the world? Why am I not surprised....
If your stats are intended to show that Huth or Ivanovic were better players then Bale last season, then no, your stats don't count for shit.
 

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Show me where I said Nani should have won the award over Bale?

Don't let the truth get in the way of you talking out of your hole and making things up there mate.

I wouldn't just your seat just yet.
I watched every match he played on the telly, my brother in law is a Spurs fan, he comes to mine to watch the games.

I enjoy watching Spurs play, have nowt against them, and think Bale is a good player. Best good? Nah. Messi/Ronaldo good? Nah. Player of the year last year? Nah. Should Nani have won it? Maybe. Did he deserve it more than Bale? Most definitely.

Did you just ignore the stats I posted then, even though you mentioned "11 goals for a left winger isn't too shabby"? Funny you should ignore them when you see how low down the list he is.
Anything else?
 

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I think you mean I put other letters on, or another word, no?
"etard" is not a word. That's why I said you took at "R" and put other words on the end.

"Retard" is a word, but you kept the "R" from Redwood, so it was not a full word substitution.

"edwood" is also not a word.

Let me know if you need anymore clarification of what you've written and what you haven't.
 

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So that's where I said he should have won it then? I said he deserved it more than Bale. He wasn't the only one.

Anything else?
No. I just made a point, you said I was wrong, so I pointed out where you had.

Just me being right and you being wrong.

Glad we worked it out,

sincerely,

edwood.