Garnacho | official, joins Chelsea

[Jay-Z Roc-A-Fellaini]

Three quarters in to the season I remember seeing Garnacho & Amorim sitting next to each other in an interview & i was very happy.

It felt like Garnacho had finally grown up and Amorim finally had some belief in Garnacho. It felt like some sort of farther son relationship was growing between Garnacho & Amorim with some respect growing between each other.

I was disappointed Amorim made the decision he did in the final. It was the wrong decision & at the wrong time to give up on a player that tried hard & seemed to have changed after he had first been dropped initially both footballing wise and mentally.

However, Garnacho showed that he had not changed and its just his type of personality, trying to mute his mouth until he kind of blew up because he couldn't control it anymore once he was dropped in a final.

I can kind of see it in Mainoo's eyes, coming off the bench as a squad player & he seems kind of pissed off all the time (until he scores a goal) like he is deep down angry. However, I dont see Mainoo blowing up and saying things loudly about the manager or the club until he actually leaves Manchester United. That's the difference between Garnacho & Mainoo.

I'd say 45 million is a fair price. 40 million is too low, 60 million is too high, 55m is unlikely.

 

[Banana Republic]

Our ability to shift players and receive decent prices is frighteningly bad. It almost feels like a curse or a hex of some sort. I've never known one club make something so monunentally difficult whilst every other club makes quick and efficient work of it. It truly is a sight to behold.

We could have Bellingham, Yamal and Pedri, and yet struggle to get 100m for the lot.

I'm never ever surprised by a sale in any way positive. It almost always results in us selling a player for less than another club would, and meanwhile City would sell an inexperienced 18 year old with five minutes first team experience for about 15 million more than we'd sell a capped international.

How many times do people have to explain why it’s hard to sell certain players?
To sell you have to have….
A. Someone willing to buy
B. The player is willing to give up their contract (with its wages) with Utd, in favour of signing a different contract (inc. different wages) with a new club.

The key players we want to sell are on stupidly highly paid contracts and unless they’re prepared to take a big pay cut, there are no buyers out there prepared to pay those sort of wages to tempt them to sign for another club.
That’s before considering any hesitancy over those players poor or irregular form, or poor attitude and behavioural problems.

The only sure fire way to get rid of these players, is to buy out the rest of their contracts and release them for nothing, which will cost Utd a lot of money and receiving no income from any sale.
Not a move the club will be willing to make.
Even then, there are player has to agree to go.

Woodward and Judge have left a complete mess with some of our player contracts hanging like a dead weight around the club’s neck.


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[Pochard]

Yeah. Still don't really see how you fit all 4 of those dudes on the pitch at the same time without playing a back 3. Unless you want to roll the dice playing kamikaze football

Why do we need to play all 4? I don’t get why every top team can have depth but we can’t.

 

[pocco]

Does nobody want him anymore? Chelsea and Napoli were linked but that seems to have died off now. Have Napoli signed an alternative?

He'd be a good signing for the Saudi's. I think his chances of staying in the PL died when Chelsea signed JBG. Unless he's willing to go somewhere like Brentford or Brighton.

 

[Vault Dweller]

Does nobody want him anymore? Chelsea and Napoli were linked but that seems to have died off now. Have Napoli signed an alternative?

He'd be a good signing for the Saudi's. I think his chances of staying in the PL died when Chelsea signed JBG. Unless he's willing to go somewhere like Brentford or Brighton.

I think the lack of any real attention whatsoever says a lot.

 

[giorno]

Why do we need to play all 4? I don’t get why every top team can have depth but we can’t.

But then why are you blowing your budget on (potential) backups?

 

[croadyman]

But then why are you blowing your budget on (potential) backups?

Cunha and Mbeumo are not backups

 

[The Hilton]

Does nobody want him anymore? Chelsea and Napoli were linked but that seems to have died off now. Have Napoli signed an alternative?

He'd be a good signing for the Saudi's. I think his chances of staying in the PL died when Chelsea signed JBG. Unless he's willing to go somewhere like Brentford or Brighton.

He was a bit more of an unknown factor previously, whereas the amount of gametime he's gotten this season has made his many limitations glaringly obvious for other teams. Rather than playing himself into the shop window, he's played himself into the clearance bucket at best.

 

[croadyman]

He was a bit more of an unknown factor previously, whereas the amount of gametime he's gotten this season has made his many limitations glaringly obvious for other teams. Rather than playing himself into the shop window, he's played himself into the clearance bucket at best.

Yeah really worry we aren't gonna have any takers which is annoying because him and Antony are easier sales due to being on reasonable wages

 

[giorno]

Cunha and Mbeumo are not backups

Exactly. So if you sack Amorim in 3 months time, his replacement won't be someone who'll change setup and bench either of them, wouldn't it? Hence my point that it would be someone with similar ideas as Amorim

 

[Ekeke]

I think the lack of any real attention whatsoever says a lot.

It says that Napoli werent the only ones put off by our demands

If we were willing to sell him for £50 million things would be different

 

[The Hilton]

Yeah really worry we aren't gonna have any takers which is annoying because him and Antony are easier sales due to being on reasonable wages

We'll have takers, but nowhere near the asking price we've set. The only teams that can afford it would be PL teams, who'll be fully aware that he's miles away from the required athleticism for the league. Our best bet is selling him abroad, he'd likely fare better in other leagues, but that reduces how much we'll get for him.

 

[Pochard]

Exactly. So if you sack Amorim in 3 months time, his replacement won't be someone who'll change setup and bench either of them, wouldn't it? Hence my point that it would be someone with similar ideas as Amorim

So you honestly think if we sack Amorim by Christmas we’ll hire a back 3 manager purely because Amad, Mbuemo, Cunha and Bruno potentially can’t all play together at the same time?

 

[giorno]

So you honestly think if we sack Amorim by Christmas we’ll hire a back 3 manager purely because Amad, Mbuemo, Cunha and Bruno potentially can’t all play together at the same time?

Yes, I think you're going to go for a manager whose ideas are compatible with your current squad composition

 

[Rolaholic]

Funny seeing the likes of Chelsea scoff at the £60m valuation only to sign a youngster of the same age with similar stats from a weaker league for £55m...

 

[Apokalips]

Funny seeing the likes of Chelsea scoff at the £60m valuation only to sign a youngster of the same age with similar stats from a weaker league for £55m...

It's ridiculous, no one wants to pay us fair prices for players and we have to put our foot down and stop allowing ourselves to give up players for cheap. It doesn't help that there is constant press scrutiny and over harsh analysis of our players compared to at other clubs.

 

[OverratedOpinion]

Funny seeing the likes of Chelsea scoff at the £60m valuation only to sign a youngster of the same age with similar stats from a weaker league for £55m...

It's as if scouts don't just look at goals and assist stats when rating a young player.

 

[Escobar]

This is the only player out of that group we dont have to sell for wharever. Either it is a lot of money (Elanga bid is 55m) or we keep

 

[sizzling sausages]

Funny seeing the likes of Chelsea scoff at the £60m valuation only to sign a youngster of the same age with similar stats from a weaker league for £55m...

His attitude and wage demands obviously play a part.

 

[Rolaholic]

It's as if scouts don't just look at goals and assist stats when rating a young player.

So you're saying his valuation is off the mark?

I find it very hard to imagine that United would be quoted anything less than that if he were at Chelsea or another PL club and we were looking at him, even with the question over his intangibles.

 

[AneRu]

It's ridiculous, no one wants to pay us fair prices for players and we have to put our foot down and stop allowing ourselves to give up players for cheap. It doesn't help that there is constant press scrutiny and over harsh analysis of our players compared to at other clubs.

Issue is they know we need the cash more than we need the player because we also want to make our own signings. That's going to be the case until we are out of this hole and can now place take it or leave it prices or bids on players.

 

[manutddjw]

I have a theory that he doesn't want to leave and is basically gambling that Amorim will be sacked. There's no such thing as tapping up anymore. Basically clubs reach out to the players representatives first and agree terms with the player, before submitting bids to the club. Garnacho is on a modest 50K and the transfer fee is not unreasonable for him. I forsee him going out on loan this season which is probably best for all of us.

 

[Bobski]

Yes, I think you're going to go for a manager whose ideas are compatible with your current squad composition

It is hard enough to get a top manager without restricting options to one who mainly plays a 3 at the back formation.

 

[C'est Moi Cantona]

Funny seeing the likes of Chelsea scoff at the £60m valuation only to sign a youngster of the same age with similar stats from a weaker league for £55m...

There is no logical reason why Chelsea wouldn't want to pay £50 million + for Garnacho given they were keen in January, the player profile they go for, and how they operate. It's just because it's us, they'll be thinking they can do one of their 'creative' deals for him late if we get desperate.

I'd rather give him away than see him there.

 

[Offside]

It's as if scouts don't just look at goals and assist stats when rating a young player.

Nah, it’s just Cheslea’s approach of spunking on a more unknown hoping they have a high ceiling. Garnacho’s stats are decent for his age but it’s become evident where his ceiling is at.

 

[sizzling sausages]

There is no logical reason why Chelsea wouldn't want to pay £50 million + for Garnacho given they were keen in January, the player profile they go for, and how they operate. It's just because it's us, they'll be thinking they can do one of their 'creative' deals for him late if we get desperate.

I'd rather give him away than see him there.

It's easy to find logical reasons. Since their initial interest he's had a poor 2nd half of the season and shown further attitude problems. And our rumoured price tag is ridiculous too.

Then Gittens is probably on a lower wage than Garnacho would have asked for and more likely to be okay with rotation. Plus he's English so less likely to want to move abroad in a few years.

 

[golden_blunder]

Damn I thought that this thread had an update

 

[Xaviboy]

He will end up staying and he be hoping Amrion gets sacked so new manager comes in reverts to playing wingers and be given another chance.

Might be pricing him out for a move if £70 million figure is true, no one is paying that.

 

[AneRu]

He will end up staying and hoping Amrion gets sacked so new manager comes in reverts to playing wingers and be given another chance.

Under a new manager won't we just push Bruno up into the hole and pull Cunha and Mbuemo wider in 4231 or 433? Still he won't start unless one of the two really flops.

 

[RedDevilCanuck]

He's been deployed the exact same way as previous managers. He's also been toggled left and right similarly. He's just not that good yet and he's our best option at the same time. He's a good young player but sadly he lacks explosiveness and clinical decision making.

 

[sleepehead]

Under a new manager won't we just push Bruno up into the hole and pull Cunha and Mbuemo wider in 4231 or 433? Still he won't start unless one of the two really flops.

I think Bruno only has another season of starting consistently.

 

[OverratedOpinion]

So you're saying his valuation is off the mark?

I find it very hard to imagine that United would be quoted anything less than that if he were at Chelsea or another PL club and we were looking at him, even with the question over his intangibles.

No I'm saying that the fact they seemingly just thought the lad from Dortmund was a better player. You can't just look at goal stats and say that makes them comparable.

 

[OverratedOpinion]

Nah, it’s just Cheslea’s approach of spunking on a more unknown hoping they have a high ceiling. Garnacho’s stats are decent for his age but it’s become evident where his ceiling is at.

It seems they think Gittens is a good/potentially very good player.

I doubt they would sign him otherwise.

 

[AneRu]

I think Bruno only has another season of starting consistently.

Depends on what he makes of his mooted move to CM, if he does well this could prolong his career here. A change in the dugout could see him reinstated as the No. 10 because any sensible manager knows how effective he is there.

 

[C'est Moi Cantona]

It's easy to find logical reasons. Since their initial interest he's had a poor 2nd half of the season and shown further attitude problems. And our rumoured price tag is ridiculous too.

Then Gittens is probably on a lower wage than Garnacho would have asked for and more likely to be okay with rotation. Plus he's English so less likely to want to move abroad in a few years.

A similar fee to Gittens and Elanaga seems more than fair to me.

Garnacho is clearly in the same bracket as those two.

And not sure Garnacho pushing for a move abroad in 4-5 years would be a bad thing for Chelsea if it meant making a profit, they can't keep all the players they are buying.

 

[Zumbi]

A similar fee to Gittens and Elanaga seems more than fair to me.

Garnacho is clearly in the same bracket as those two.

And not sure Garnacho pushing for a move abroad in 4-5 years would be a bad thing for Chelsea if it meant making a profit, they can't keep all the players they are buying.

The only thing that matters is whether it seems fair to buying clubs who need a player in Garnacho’s position. That very much remains to be seen.

 

[Rolaholic]

He's been deployed the exact same way as previous managers. He's also been toggled left and right similarly. He's just not that good yet and he's our best option at the same time. He's a good young player but sadly he lacks explosiveness and clinical decision making.

He's got all the physical tools to be great, just quite thick between the ears unfortunately on the pitch

He could be whatever he wants if he really learned to buy into playing as part of the collective and seeing that as your way to individual success which it 100% is

 

[elmo]

Does nobody want him anymore? Chelsea and Napoli were linked but that seems to have died off now. Have Napoli signed an alternative?

He'd be a good signing for the Saudi's. I think his chances of staying in the PL died when Chelsea signed JBG. Unless he's willing to go somewhere like Brentford or Brighton.

His technique and athleticism isn’t exactly top class. His finishing is better, but that’s brought down by his terrible decision making.

He’s best off the bench, not exactly something most teams would be willing to pay top dollar for.

 

[Zumbi]

His technique and athleticism isn’t exactly top class. His finishing is better, but that’s brought down by his terrible decision making.

He’s best off the bench, not exactly something most teams would be willing to pay top dollar for.

That’s damning, because his finishing was awful last season.

 

[tenpoless]

I think he doesnt have that surprise factor anymore, defenders are aware of his ability now. And thats why its so hard for young players to keep growing past their debut season.

So im in favour of selling even before we take account of his shitty behaviour.