He was a great team player who was happy to help the team with whatever was required unless that meant he wasn't in the starting XI or was subbed off after being ineffectual.
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He was a great team player who was happy to help the team with whatever was required unless that meant he wasn't in the starting XI or was subbed off after being ineffectual.
Whatever required? He wasn't asked to mow the grass. Just play a slightly different position now and again.
The alternative would be throwing a strop for being asked to play right wing instead of left wing. I don't think a player should be getting too much credit for not doing that.
Garnacho's name was sung right till the end... I remember the final game of the season and fans were singing Viva Garnacho.
His petulance is what caused this. You dont believe he wanted to leave, when it was Garnacho himself who came out after being dropped saying, Oh I need to consider my future.
As a manager, you dont want players that after being dropped, will think... I need to look elsewhere, I need to leave, its not the right spirit and team ethic.
He then posted a picture of Rashford in a Villa shirt, which to you might mean nothing but there was obviously something behind that.
Oh yes... 1 fan said to him make sure you pass the ball so he decided to be childish and not celebrate a goal.
So it seems in your opinion one fan saying pass the ball has more of an impact than 20k fans at OT singing Viva Garnacho? Those chants were heard all the way until the end of the season, so I am not sure what you're on about the fans didnt back him.
So basically every player is a team player? So why mention he is a team player when its a standard for every young player?
His selfishness is also the issue... numerous times, he has seen a pass and decided to shoot. Numerous times, Dorgu overlapped him, he ignored him.
The fans didn’t back him? What on earth is that based on? He got incredible support from the fans throughout his time here.
Yeh... 1 fan outside the stadium told Garnacho to pass and he scored and didn't celebrate.
Champ thinks 1 fan = all the fans. Forget the stadium chanting his name, that is not support, 1 fan opinion matters more than the 10's of thousand.
Even when he was a regular in starting 11 not many outside Utd fans rated him. He got the move he wanted and we got some cash. You all reacting like we let prime ronaldo go. This type of signings and this type of departures happens all the time. Best thing that ever happened to him will remain the Manchester United stint that he fecked up monumentally. Such a lower league destined player pretty soon. F him
Yeah he got the Ronaldo chant. I think he was backed considerably.
Glad someone answered that nonsense post. Not celebrating because one fan annoyed him showed how much of a snowflake Garnacho is that he cant take the slightest bit of criticism/feedback
Most people just have an aversion to wankers.
I agree he was petulant and immature but he's still basically a kid...
The guy who booted him out of the club is just as prone if not more so to emotional outbursts but he's allowed to get away with it for some reason. Despite having done less for the club.
You can’t see the difference between these two scenarios?
Which two scenarios? Player vs. Manager?
Yes managerial authority is important but Amorim has wielded it clumsily and without nuance or patience. You don't tell a player to find a new club in front of the rest of the squad after one outburst after a lost final. Amorim has done just as bad if not worse, eg. suggesting his players weren't playing for him after we lost to fecking Grimsby, suggesting they might be the worst United team of all time etc. intimating several times that he might quit.
Ten Hag managed problem players way better as far as I'm concerned, negotiating tricky situations with Sancho, Ronaldo, Rashford, Garnacho. Amorim's natural charisma would have many believe otherwise.
So you think a manager and player should be held to the same standard?
Amorim has said he thought of quitting because he thought he is not up to the task... Garnacho said he wanted to leave because he was dropped and thinks he is better than others in the squad.
Amorim has come out and said he is emotional, he owns it, he said I hate my players when they lose and love them when they win... Its almost calling most fans petulant and immature too? because I have seen fans flip flop on players based on performances too. When Rashford was scoring 20 goals we loved him, when he was stinking the place out he was booed.
Would you say all the fans who change their opinion based on performances and results are petulant and immature?
Im amazed he didn't want to go to La Liga. You could imagine him doing pretty well over there.
Some people would hold the supposed adult in the room to a higher standard
So you agree that Amorim and Garnacho's outbursts are the same?
I'm not sure you ever accused someone of saying something that they actually said
I do actually, is that so strange? There is a chain of command, for certain, but that doesn't mean the manager gets to act however he wants and then if the players act the same (arguably influenced by his own childish behaviour) then boom, they're gone.
So Amorim owns it, great for him. I'm sure if Garnacho was given the opportunity to speak to the press every week he'd probably do the same. Let's not forget he's literally half his age and Amorim often states how he himself is a "young" guy and should be forgiven for speaking rashly.
Er yes actually.
So what in your opinion has Amorim done that is childish and immature?
He does.. on socials all the time, liking things against the manager, so he can be childish on socials but cant own it?
So you are saying, you have never changed your opinion on players right?
Seeing as this is the Garnacho thread - how do you know Garnacho only had one outburst before he was told to find a new club? You would have to be one of the players or coaches to know that, no?
Do you believe Sancho was sold because of one single clumsy tweet to?
Nah im not buying that. He was given multiple warnings by 2 managers over and over about his conduct and he kept repeating the same issues , causing problems.. Thats a sign of bad attitude.. Someone who has no respect of authority or simply doesn't care. Clearly has no intention of learning from mistakes.
Amorim simply had enough of it and had realised the kid isnt going to learn or change. Im glad he has drawn a line in the sand, send a message to anyone else in the squad.
I think any look on social media (of which I attest I'm not on so cannot verify) would tell you otherwise, certainly any small glance at any Garnacho threads on here would also tell you the same, that the vast majority of fans seemed to dislike him for whatever various reasons.
It's also pertinent to add that social media and the online world is probably where Garnacho has more exposure too, so any ramblings there will be amplified in his eyes.
But I get your holding on to a narrative you so desperately want to believe in, which you have every right too, just find it strange that people hold a grudge against a player that a)only really ever tried his best for us and b) isn't our player anymore.
Again, not true. He became our “best forward” only when others were out injured and we had no other options, and even that’s debatable as he was lauded by his defenders in here for his “threat”, not his actual goals or assists, because his finishing and decision making in the final third remained so poor. He basically just had a bit more pace and directness than the rest of our incredibly slow and indirect attack. Amad and Bruno were still more productive that season. And during that period he was consistently missing big chances which cost us points - he had the worst conversion rate in Europe last year for players missing big chances, with only 2/14 converted. If he had been putting them away then he would have kept his place when others started returning from injury. But he didn’t, and then at times cost us with poor defensive work, which likely contributed to him being dropped for the final - just look at his sloppy defensive work which cost us three points against Chelsea.
And so what if he had been starting some games? That doesn’t give him the right to start every game, and it certainly doesn’t give him the right to publicly criticize the manager. Bear in mind, Garancho did start the previous game against Spurs, which we also lost 1-0.
Your argument is just whataboutism. Legitimate criticisms of the manager don’t excuse a pattern of unprofessional behaviour from a player, especially when that player showed the same issues under the previous manager as well. It is the board’s responsibility to assess the manager’s performances, not the players.
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So Garnacho is incapable of telling the difference between rapid people online and the supporters in the stadium literally chanting his name? He was unprofessional, he had problems with two managers, his ability didn't match his ego, he needed to go so we got rid. That's basically all it really comes down to.
I get you're holding on to a narrative you so desperately want to push about how Garnacho is innocent and it's actually the fans that drove him out of the club, just find it strange that you're defending a player that a) disrupted the dressing room on many occasions and b) isn't our player anymore.
Go to Chelsea’s forum and support Garnacho than.
He didn’t put a foot wrong today. We were very harsh to call him a flop at Chelsea. The amount of ground he covered as he went up and down that touch line, he was hogging that touchline like Giggs in his prime.
He’ll got all the qualities to convert into a midfielder later on in his career too. I don’t think there’d be a better bench to bench midfielder.
He’ll got all the qualities to convert into a midfielder later on in his career too. I don’t think there’d be a better bench to bench midfielder.
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can’t believe he’s gone b2b unused.
His best performance of the season yesterday. Commanded his bench well. Great positioning. He's first choice for that spot, imo.
I can't see anyone with the quality to take his spot on the bench.
Hooked on the hour.
He’ll play fewer and fewer matches when Mascara realises he’s in a battle to save his job and can’t trust him to put in a shift. Then the social media posts will start and then certain sections of the fanbase will be backing his decision to down tools and wait for the new manager to come in. Then repeat.
Watched a few mins of Chelsea, saw him cut in and balloon one over the bar.
Turned it off again.
Turned it off again.
Looked ineffective again, but most of their wingers seem gash.
Is it possible for Rat boy to score or assist a winner for Chelsea against Liverpool this weekend?
Dalot would be proud.
Obviously played a role in the only goal but other than that it was classic Garnacho of the last 12-13 months. Honestly as a direct player think he’d be better suited for a team like Villa and not Maresca’s Chelsea. But Maresca may not be there for that long though.
Sancho didn’t have a great loan at Chelsea but it did look decent in 2nd part of the season. Ironically he’s the one who ended at Villa and don’t think he’s player for Emery’s system.
Sancho didn’t have a great loan at Chelsea but it did look decent in 2nd part of the season. Ironically he’s the one who ended at Villa and don’t think he’s player for Emery’s system.
His performance against Liverpool today was classic Garnacho. Reason why I wasn't fussed about letting him go.
The one where he got in behind Szbos and went down trying to win a penalty was daft, he was in a good position and threw it away.