Maybe yes, maybe not. Nothing is inevitable in such a highly competitive environment. I am not saying he's a bad player, i can definitely see him having a career in the PL. Just not at the very top. He could even become the star man for a direct, counter-attacking side in the lower half of the table. I believe Cunha shares similarities with him in the way the play the game. And there's nothing world-class about Cunha.
Garnacho | Officially Chelsea's problem
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Maybe yes, maybe not. Nothing is inevitable in such a highly competitive environment. I am not saying he's a bad player, i can definitely see him having a career in the PL. Just not at the very top. He could even become the star man for a direct, counter-attacking side in the lower half of the table. I believe Cunha shares similarities with him in the way the play the game. And there's nothing world-class about Cunha.
To say thank God we got rid of rashford because he's scored 0 goals in the league, is objectively ridiculous.
It's clinging on to a specific stat that confirms your bias, when his actual stats is 7 G/A in 9 appearances. You don't suddenly not look at assists or not look at his record in all competitions, if you are doing that it's to try and prove a point, hence disingenuous.
I think you're taking that a little too literally. I don't think the poster meant 0 goals this season is literally the sole justification for moving them on.
But it's absolutely fair to point out we've released 4 forwards and none of them have a league goal yet.
Especially in these times of every sold player being talked up.
Put it this way, if they were scoring plenty in the league we'd be hearing about it wouldn't we.
And there's no point pretending goals aren't a big part of these players games. None of them, especially Garnacho, are great creators.
and better than anyone else in Barcelona’s.
Exactly. He was also decent yesterday and there's elements for a penalty in that situation. I get that we don't like him now but it's not like he's 25/26 years old player, there's years and years of football to come for him.
It's taking it literally, theyve tried to make a point that his output is shit by quoting a very specific stat. His output is objectively good this season, he's having a good season thus far.
League goals isn't exactly an obscure, niche stat is it. It's kind of important.
It is, as is assists for the position that he plays and the poster left that out.
Oh, and he's just scored that all important league goal.
So that's 8 G/A and in 10 appearances and we're seriously trying to say that's poor? My God.
This is a myth. It’s not inevitable that players get better. Progression is not linear. Some players bloom later, some players peak early.
A feck tonne more improve as they age though, even if not all.
I can’t think of many examples that peaked at 20 & never improved?
There are plenty of examples of wingers/forwards who peaked very early and never really progressed. Januzaj, Walcott, Bojan, Gio Dos Santos, Pato, Gotze, El Shaarawy, Balotelli, Jovetic etc off the top of my head.
Probably dozens of lower profile ones as well.
Walcott’s best season was aged 24, as was Jovetic. Both building on from decent showings at 19-20.
Januzaj had half a good season in his entire career.
Pato, Gøtze.. absolutely.
Santos was simply never very good, never had a peak, nor did Bojan.
Balotelli a mad man who’s best season was probably in Nice.
Even if we pretended none of these 9 players improved their game between 20-25, it’s a tiny handful, whereas ”off the top of my head” I could give you literally hundreds if not thousands that did improve.
You’re attempting to discover anomalies, but improving is the norm.
Bojan knocked in 10 league goals in his debut season and was hyped to the heavens as another Messi. Obviously he never hit that again, but he was likely a better player than Garnacho for that year.
Aside from Januzaj and Dos Santos, I don't think Garnacho has yet surpassed most of those players I listed and could easily fizzle out into a similar kind of career trajectory. Of course stagnation isn't the norm, and nobody has said it is, but the original point was that he'll "inevitably get better", and there are more than enough examples to show that that isn't always the case.
There are always anomalies yes, but the poster has statistics massively on his side with regards to player improvement between 20-25.
Giving an example of a few massive outliers isn’t much of a debate.
Yes a player may do a Pato, but that would take some horrendous bad luck with recurring hamstring and later thigh injuries. Or a Götze, but once again the bad luck of developing metabolic myopathy would cone into play.
It must literally be something like 99% of players show improvement between 20-25. We see it in Athletics too very clearly for example.
Good riddance.
No, not really. The ones you remember do because they’re the ones that made it. That’s just confirmation bias.There are a lot who don’t and fade into obscurity.
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We sold him because of his attitude. United wanted to instill a new culture where you either want to play for the club or you are gone. The whiners and half hearted performers were being rid of which I feel is the right thing to do.
Whether Garnacho has the ability to reach a new height with any other club is not the issue. Selling him was probably the right move. We need positivity in this club.
Whether Garnacho has the ability to reach a new height with any other club is not the issue. Selling him was probably the right move. We need positivity in this club.
officially a problem?
He's properly rubbish.
Taken off at HT (along with two others). Was Chelsea that bad?
For Chelsea.
They look pretty toothless. Garnacho caused very few problems - looked similar to most of the times he started for us.
What is it that he is actually supposed to excel at?
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Chelsea scored from an excellent cross from the left side just after he was subbed off.
He had the world at his fingertips, but alas he's too much in his head and bad influences around.
For a such a so called talented winger according to some people he manages to hide his talent so well as it's non-existent.
He's also just not that good.
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No doubt Robert will hop onto twitter to defend his brother.
He's a good impact sub. Starting is another matter
Hahaha You made my morning mate
Would love to know what the Chelsea fans are saying about Garnacho
I'm just shocked that a player who has looked dire for ages is still dire.
This would be cathartic.
They didn’t want him in the 1st place to be fair
His off the ball movement is very good. Other than that hes average at everything though.
Amazing how there was still people on here defending him to the bitter end and insisting the problem was the manager and not him