Garnacho (Out)

hellhunter said:
Give it a few months
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I can’t see it, unless we change formation otherwise the closest we will get is RWF and LWF

I long for the days of touch line hugging speed merchants who could beat their fullback and sling a good cross in, where hopefully we’d have more than one person attacking it. But those days are gone, now we move in the modern direction like sheep all singing from variations of the pep bible. Sigh
 
CM said:
Mazraoui has played as a number 10, it doesn't mean he's any good there.
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Silly to compare someone playing 1 game in a position to someone who has played on the wing almost as much as he's played full back.
 
golden_blunder said:
This new narrative doing the rounds that we’re selling off all of our wingers and we won’t have any if Amorim is fired.

Boohoo

First of all it’s all of the troublemakers who can’t be arsed to put the work in but are quick to take to social media and write all kinds of crap. Keep them? No. That’s not how you build a squad that all pulls together. Get them all out. Set a marker down that it’s not acceptable.

Secondly, we don’t play with wingers so why do we want to keep them? Oh in case Amorim gets sacked? So you’re going to keep them because you expect the coach to be fired. That’s optimism eh. So you don’t want the club to build up the actual resources that the coach needs to have the best chance of being successful. Talk about setting him up to fail!
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Abso-fecking-lutely!
 
sizzling sausages said:
Silly to compare someone playing 1 game in a position to someone who has played on the wing almost as much as he's played full back.
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Surely you must be able to form enough of an opinion on a player since January to know whether you think they're suitable to play a position? Dorgu's limitations in attack are quite clear to see for me. He can't beat a man, has no obvious dribbling ability and his end product is really poor. None of those things lead me to believe he's a viable wide option for United.

We should remember he was playing for a team who avoided relegation by the skin of their teeth in Serie A. If they were playing him further forward, it probably says more about the quality of their team than anything else.
 
CM said:
Surely you must be able to form enough of an opinion on a player since January to know whether you think they're suitable to play a position? Dorgu's limitations in attack are quite clear to see for me. He can't beat a man, has no obvious dribbling ability and his end product is really poor. None of those things lead me to believe he's a viable wide option for United.

We should remember he was playing for a team who avoided relegation by the skin of their teeth in Serie A. If they were playing him further forward, it probably says more about the quality of their team than anything else.
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I'd agree Dorgu isn't a viable wing option. But it doesnt change the fact he can play there. And then I don't think some of the players people are complaining about us getting rid of are viable wing options either anyway.
 
Cee90 said:
£60 million, minimum.
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I don’t think we’re going to get that now we’ve let everyone know we don’t want him. That’s the price that was banded about in January when we supposedly didn’t want to sell.

I reckon the best we can hope for is for is £40 plus £20m in achievable add-ons.
 
OverratedOpinion said:
Wait, I keep being told that a Man Utd manager should be flexible enough to get a tune out of all available players.

Surely whoever we bring in if Amorim loses his job would have the "managerial nous" to get plenty out of Cunha, Mbuemo and a striker?
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I’m sure any new manager coming in would be a lot happier working with the likes of Cunha and Mbuemo than the likes of Garnacho, Sancho, Anthony etc. This idea that Amorim’s future being uncertain means we shouldn’t ship out underperforming and problematic players is illogical.
 
Devil81 said:
I think selling him is a mistake, someone needs to sit down with him and explain at 20 years of age he could be walking away from the biggest club he will ever play for. Currently I don't believe he thinks that at the moment personally but it could be the reality.

Also on our side you won't find many young 20 year old players with his record. We are literally contemplating selling a potential top talent because he's incredibly immature.

I just hope in five years time we aren't another manager or two down looking at Garnacho going what we're we thinking as a club.
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Yup. That is all we need for all young players who think they are too big for their boots.
 
golden_blunder said:
I can’t see it, unless we change formation otherwise the closest we will get is RWF and LWF

I long for the days of touch line hugging speed merchants who could beat their fullback and sling a good cross in, where hopefully we’d have more than one person attacking it. But those days are gone, now we move in the modern direction like sheep all singing from variations of the pep bible. Sigh
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Cannot agree more. Football has changed, and in terms og entertainment not for the better
 
golden_blunder said:
I can’t see it, unless we change formation otherwise the closest we will get is RWF and LWF

I long for the days of touch line hugging speed merchants who could beat their fullback and sling a good cross in, where hopefully we’d have more than one person attacking it. But those days are gone, now we move in the modern direction like sheep all singing from variations of the pep bible. Sigh
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I hear you!
 
golden_blunder said:
I can’t see it, unless we change formation otherwise the closest we will get is RWF and LWF

I long for the days of touch line hugging speed merchants who could beat their fullback and sling a good cross in, where hopefully we’d have more than one person attacking it. But those days are gone, now we move in the modern direction like sheep all singing from variations of the pep bible. Sigh
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Baaaaaaaaaa
 
Zumbi said:
I’m sure any new manager coming in would be a lot happier working with the likes of Cunha and Mbuemo than the likes of Garnacho, Sancho, Anthony etc. This idea that Amorim’s future being uncertain means we shouldn’t ship out underperforming and problematic players is illogical.
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One of these is not like the others (the thread title should give a clue :))
 
Teja said:
One of these is not like the others (the thread title should give a clue :))
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Garnacho has underperformed this season, and he has also been problematic. I’m not sure being better than Sancho or Anthony is much to shout about when it’s still not good enough.
 
Zumbi said:
Garnacho has underperformed this season, and he has also been problematic. I’m not sure being better than Sancho or Anthony is much to shout about when it’s still not good enough.
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He underperformed but nothing close to the other two. He's 20 and 2nd in npXG for us behind Bruno. Even if he doesn't make any improvement in any other respect (passing, vision, decision making, chance creation), if he just finishes his chances, only a handful (~ 10-15 players) would be outperforming his productivity.

Guys like Madueke, Gordon etc. won't even come close to him.
 
Teja said:
He underperformed but nothing close to the other two. He's 20 and 2nd in npXG for us behind Bruno. Even if he doesn't make any improvement in any other respect (passing, vision, decision making, chance creation), if he just finishes his chances, only a handful (~ 10-15 players) would be outperforming his productivity.

Guys like Madueke, Gordon etc. won't even come close to him.
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I don’t care what his npXG is for a dysfunctional, near relegation form attack. Especially when his flaws as a player directly contribute to our attack being dysfunctional.

And if he doesn’t improve his passing, vision, decision making, chance creation etc then his npXG won’t matter anyway because he won’t be on the pitch to fluff any of those chances - he’ll be riding the bench and throwing social media strops whilst players like Cunha, Amad and Mbuemo start (except he’s being sold of course - see previous point about underperforming and being problematic).
 
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Teja said:
He underperformed but nothing close to the other two. He's 20 and 2nd in npXG for us behind Bruno. Even if he doesn't make any improvement in any other respect (passing, vision, decision making, chance creation), if he just finishes his chances, only a handful (~ 10-15 players) would be outperforming his productivity.

Guys like Madueke, Gordon etc. won't even come close to him.
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Yes, if his conversion rate was even average or above average, his numbers would be pretty good. Somehow his finishing skills have gone in the opposite direction since the start of the last season.

I do think most aspects of his game improved during last season including work-rate, decision-making but his finishing was lackluster throughout.
 
Teja said:
He underperformed but nothing close to the other two. He's 20 and 2nd in npXG for us behind Bruno. Even if he doesn't make any improvement in any other respect (passing, vision, decision making, chance creation), if he just finishes his chances, only a handful (~ 10-15 players) would be outperforming his productivity.

Guys like Madueke, Gordon etc. won't even come close to him.
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And next to Bruno and Amad (who was often injured) our only hope for creativity
 
Rolaholic said:
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Be interesting to see if the resident Arsenal fans on here think that could be the case.

I did read recently that the left side of the attack might be somewhere they look to strengthen this summer so from a positional perspective, this could make sense.
 
The United said:
Yup. That is all we need for all young players who think they are too big for their boots.
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I imagine that this has been tried by a few people at the club, problem is its hard to change someone's nature or change someone's attitude at a work place when they have become unhappy. I wont be sad to see him go, but its a shame he didnt hit the potential we expected of him.

I speculate that Sancho and Rashford's misery rubbed off on him.
 
ThanksBoss26 said:
Be interesting to see if the resident Arsenal fans on here think that could be the case.

I did read recently that the left side of the attack might be somewhere they look to strengthen this summer so from a positional perspective, this could make sense.
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I think and hope it's bs. Some fans are already on Martinelli's back regarding his decision making in the final third, Garnacho is way worse imo.
Also seems to be a right tw*t and Arteta is trying to keep a clean house.
 
awop said:
I think and hope it's bs. Some fans are already on Martinelli's back regarding his decision making in the final third, Garnacho is way worse imo.
Also seems to be a right tw*t and Arteta is trying to keep a clean house.
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Right :lol:
 
I’d prefer Garnacho over Martinelli but they are basically the same type of player. Head down runners who carry the ball well and continually get in behind but brain fart in the final third.
 
awop said:
I think and hope it's bs. Some fans are already on Martinelli's back regarding his decision making in the final third, Garnacho is way worse imo.
Also seems to be a right tw*t and Arteta is trying to keep a clean house.
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Martinelli is currently the 16th worst player in the league at successfully beating his man. Garnacho is one of the few players in the league to be even worse, being the 11th worst, so at first glance it would be an odd one.

However Garnacho played much of the season in the 10 position, which is a much harder spot to dribble from since there's less space and you're often up against a CB or DM rather than a FB. The season before he played wide on the left or right and had a much better take on success rate. Martinelli meanwhile was almost equally as bad the season before.

Attitude wise though, hard to see him as an Arteta player.
 
Unless Arsenal or Chelsea are paying £80 milllion+ they can get fecked
 
The club desperately needs the money and will sell him for around £55 million which will cover the Gyokeres signing.
 
If he's staying in England I'd hold out for 60 plus. Ideally we sell him abroad
 
hellhunter said:
Right :lol:
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He's trying his best ! :mad:
quadrant said:
Martinelli is currently the 16th worst player in the league at successfully beating his man. Garnacho is one of the few players in the league to be even worse, being the 11th worst, so at first glance it would be an odd one.

However Garnacho played much of the season in the 10 position, which is a much harder spot to dribble from since there's less space and you're often up against a CB or DM rather than a FB. The season before he played wide on the left or right and had a much better take on success rate. Martinelli meanwhile was almost equally as bad the season before.

Attitude wise though, hard to see him as an Arteta player.
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Didn't know that, surprised he's that low. Watching quite a bit of United this season (mainly for a laugh), Garnacho managed to annoy me a lot. It's like somebody else takes control of his legs when he has to make a decision.
I'd rather leave it as is with Trossard/Martinelli battling for a spot if the only alternative is Garnacho.
 
ThanksBoss26 said:
Be interesting to see if the resident Arsenal fans on here think that could be the case.

I did read recently that the left side of the attack might be somewhere they look to strengthen this summer so from a positional perspective, this could make sense.
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Can't see the quote but we are trying to upgrade on Martinelli so Garnacho is definitely not it. Pace + Brains + Execution is the need so cue the likes of Rodrygo & Nico Williams. I wouldn't even take Garnacho on loan because it would be a waste of squad space for a team challenging for the title
 
Pepesuave said:
Can't see the quote but we are trying to upgrade on Martinelli so Garnacho is definitely not it. Pace + Brains + Execution is the need so cue the likes of Rodrygo & Nico Williams. I wouldn't even take Garnacho on loan because it would be a waste of squad space for a team challenging for the title
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Arsenal are challenging for 2nd place at best.
 
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